Israel Accused of Running “Torture Camps” as Video Emerges of Soldiers Raping Palestinian Prisoner

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Israel Accused of Running “Torture Camps” as Video Emerges of Soldiers Raping Palestinian Prisoner
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The Israeli human rights group B’Tselem has published a major new report documenting how the Israeli prison system has become “a network of torture camps,” where physical, psychological and sexual abuse of Palestinian prisoners is normalized and routine.

The report, titled “Welcome to Hell,” collects the testimony of 55 Palestinians who were detained by Israeli authorities since October 7 and later released, almost all without charges. This comes as a group of U.N. experts condemned the widespread torture of Palestinians and as Israel’s Channel 12 News aired shocking footage of Israeli soldiers sexually abusing a prisoner at the Sde Teiman army base, where thousands of detainees from Gaza are held.

Sarit Michaeli, the international advocacy lead for B’Tselem, says the abuse in Israeli prisons is “systemic, ongoing and state-sanctioned,” reflecting the cruelty and thirst for revenge among a growing number of Israelis. “They would like to have a completely open field in terms of what they can do to Palestinians,” says Michaeli.

You can find the full report of testimonies here

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They act like there is no problem it’s all normal.

I mentioned several things Japan should change. How is that "acting like there's no problem"?

What I'm saying it's not Apartheid. Because it isn't. Apartheid is a specific thing with a specific definition.

What are you talking about “in general, no.”

I mean "in general, no". If a pregnant couple travels to the US on a tourist visa and gives birth there, the child will be a US citizen. That's not the case in Germany or for that matter most of the rest of the world. Korea itself doesn't have Ius soli.

It is how it works since the year 2000. If you are born there yes, you can get citizenship, given your parent live there for 8 years.

Living here doesn't suffice, you need permanent residency -- though if you're here for that long, that should generally be the case. And it's not "you can become a citizen" but "you are a citizen". If you don't grow up in Germany with that kind of Ius soli citizenship you'll have to choose with 21 whether you keep your foreign or German citizenship.

That kind of regime is btw what I proposed Japan introduce in my previous comment. You might want to start reading what I write.

There are generations of zainichi who have not got citizenship.

And Japan should make the procedure easier for them. I have said that already. But that doesn't mean that they're treated any differently from any other non-citizen. They in fact do enjoy some rights not afforded to other permanent residents. So, yes, those "different laws" exist, but they're in the favour of Zainichis.

Go and have a look at actual Apartheid regimes. The degree of discrimination, the complete impossibility of leaving second-class citizen status, the lot of it. Noone is going to listen to your demands for better citizenship laws if you keep on pretending Zainichis can't shop in the same 7/11s that the rest of Japan shops in.

The degree of discrimination, the complete impossibility of leaving second-class citizen status

20% of the Israeli citizens are Palestine descent. 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel.

So, yes, those "different laws" exist, but they're in the favour of Zainichis.

Yeah, their laws I pointed out to you on how schools operate realllly favour zainichi Koreans. /s Incase you need it

20% of the Israeli citizens are Palestine descent. 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel.

What about the occupied territories? They're applying martial law there, and people have no prospect of citizenship. Then there's plenty of Palestinans living in Israel who don't have Israeli citizenship, or realistic prospect of citizens, e.g. in Jerusalem.

You have no idea how bad it is in Israel if you think it's in any way comparable to Japan.

Yeah, their laws I pointed out to you on how schools operate realllly favour zainichi Koreans. /s Incase you need it

I'm sorry are you saying that Japan should introduce Korean native-level lessons in their state school curriculum or what's your actual issue here. What would you change. I've yet to see any actual policy proposal from you: No solutions, just "Japan bad". Why would Zainichi who don't speak Korean want those types of schools.

You admitted they have several things to change after 2 days of arguing with you about it. Lol.

Point me at a state and I'll find several things that they should change. Do you e.g. really want to get me started on Korea with their rampant gerontocracy and misogyny.

Crucially, though, and this should make you think, none of what I said Japan should change actually came from an argument you made.

Africans themselves have criticized Japan for apartheid.

Foreign Minister Kimura's Visit to Africa, Japan, which had never colonized the African continent, was sometimes criticized by Africans for its relations with apartheid and other issues.

Miss me with whatever antisemitic you are ignorantly and bigantly spreading.

Have you actually read the corresponding section in Chapter 1. Quote:

Kimura said he decided to visit Africa because “the African continent is still seen in the same way as the colonial period ... As a first step, Japan should show the right attitude from an international moral standpoint.” But he also states that another aim of the visit was to soften the criticism of Japan from other African countries for actively trading with South Africa, a racist country at the time.

Have you any idea how many countries traded with South Africa at that time? Not exactly the same thing but here's a map of SA's diplomatic ties 1974. Plenty of African states, say Madagascar or the Congo, were happy to take South African money. What does anything of that have to do with the status of Zainichi a whole 50 years later?

Yes I read it all. It shows a pattern for Japan which openly embraces apartheid up to recent times. They support that crap. Just like the congo did. In fact the congo like Japan was also an apartheid during those relations.

Circling all the way back to the beginning: If they currently support that crap, why did Abe get slammed for proposing Apartheid?

It really does seem like you have made up your mind about the Japanese and are trying very hard to scrape together whimsy excuses for your bigotry.

...and seriously. Congo. As in back then still named Zaire. Did I miss something was Mobutu white or something. Are you just making shit up.

Dude there are japanese authors who embrace apartheid not just abe. South Africa is tired of Japanese shit.

Are you just making shit up.

I'm not making anything up. I haven't made a single thing up. You just don't give a single shit.

Quote:

The Japanese government has overtly and covertly tried to distance itself from Sono

Also, again, Abe:

One possible reason the Japanese mainstream media is reluctant to criticize Sono and the Sankei newspaper is due to the fact that Prime Minister Abe makes it a habit to regularly wine and dine the top executives of Japan’s media groups, often at the same time—usually before major political announcements or decisions—creating a cozy relationship that makes criticizing him or those close to him particularly awkward or difficult in Japanese culture.

Politics in Japan are strange, they're a proper democracy but also de facto a one-party state. Abe is dead, in more than one way.

And I mean -- this is what you have? Random people say stuff and you elevate it to state policy and social sentiment? Then, I guess, all Canadians want first nation people in boarding schools, all Germans want to ethnically cleanse the country of immigrant blood, all French want to re-colonise Algeria, all Koreans want state-mandated girlfriends, the list is fucking endless.

This is not random people, that was a top advisors of the country.

One possible reason the Japanese mainstream media is reluctant to criticize...

However you justify it and make jokes. Don't forget they also did kill 600k Koreans then pretty much enslave them for cheap labor. Waaaay more than Israel killed Hamas-Palestinians and civilian casualties.

Several well-publicized examples of hate speech targeting these Korean ethnic schools have been recorded. In December 2009, January 2010, and March 2010, anti-Korean activists staged three demonstrations chanting abusive slogans, such as “children of spies,” via loudspeakers against a Korean primary school in Kyoto. They claimed that the school illegally used a nearby park as a playground for more than fifty years. The school did in fact use the park, but with permission from Kyoto City and the local residents’ association. After the rallies, the ultra-rightists uploaded videos of the demonstrations online. Since the demonstrations and the social media posting of the incidents severely traumatized the students, teachers, and parents, the school filed a lawsuit in 2010. The lower court ruled in its favor.

Random people say stuff and you elevate it to state policy and social sentiment?

Such a nice social sentiment /s

the school filed a lawsuit in 2010. The lower court ruled in its favor.

Are you reading what you're quoting? Why, if Japan is an Apartheid state, are courts siding with the Zainichi?

Don’t forget they also did kill 600k Koreans then pretty much enslave them for cheap labor. Waaaay more than Israel killed Hamas-Palestinians and civilian casualties.

First off: History, or is Japan currently killing Koreans? Secondly, there were about 30m Korans in 1950 (North and South), but only 1.4m Palestinians. More than half of which were driven out of the country, by threat of settler violence, during the Nakhba.

Then, WTF is "Hamas-Palestinians" supposed to mean. I'm asking because you seem to be busy trivialising Israeli crimes while simultaneously exhibiting a clear pattern of group-focussed enmity, are you a Kahanite?

You were talking about Japan's social sentiment of the zainichi. So I pointed to the year long hate speech protests they conducted toward school children

More than half of which were driven out of the country, by threat of settler violence, during the Nakhba.

It is completely false. They left because their Arab allies warned them to leave as they were going to invade Israel. Which they did.

What really happened is the first Jewish immigrants(just 100 people in 1890 known as Rishon LeZion) faced harsh conditions. Trouble farming their barren land, starving and trouble getting water to their settlement. All while starving and trying to live the Arab marauders would pillaged their settlement. There was no displacement or made up nakhba.

When the blood-curdling battle cry exhorting the masses to slaughter the Jews, “Itbach al-Yahud,” was first shouted on April 4, 1920, by Arab marauders rampaging through the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City, it was accompanied by another mantra: “A-Dawla ma’ana” – the government is with us.That was the first brazen reverberation of the trust that Jews can be attacked with impunity, that no deterrence exists. It was since oft-chanted during the perpetration of other atrocities during the British Mandate era masterminded by Haj Amin el- Husseini, most notably the hideous Hebron massacre of 1929.

That sentiment has always been the same to " Itbach al-Yahud " even nearly 100 years later with Hamas.

Then, WTF is "Hamas-Palestinians"

Damn, you really are dumber than I thought. Looool.

So I pointed to the year long hate speech protests they conducted toward school children

Who is "they"? You might want to go back and read that article.


As to the rest... yeah even if you don't identify as Kahanite you're still spouting the same myths. You're the kind of guy at those kind of hate speech protests, desperately trying to find a place in the world that you can pretend is doing worse, so you can absolve yourself of your own bigotry. Pointing fingers, the favourite sport of the self-righteous. Remember: If you point your finger at someone else, three are pointing back at you. Try it, it's really true.

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You admitted they have several things to change after 2 days of arguing with you about it. Lol.

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