Yet another one of China's elite has disappeared after criticizing Xi Jinping

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Yet another one of China's elite has disappeared after criticizing Xi Jinping
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A top economist has joined the growing list of China's elite to have disappeared from public life after criticizing Xi Jinping, according to The Wall Street Journal. 

Zhu Hengpeng served as deputy director of the Institute of Economics at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) for around a decade.

CASS is a state research think tank that reports directly to China's cabinet. Chen Daoyin, a former associate professor at Shanghai University of Political Science and Law, described it as a "body to formulate party ideology to support the leadership."

According to the Journal, the 55-year-old disappeared shortly after remarking on China's sluggish economy and criticizing Xi's leadership in a private group on WeChat.

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Any time someone describes something that happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they are misrepresenting what happened 100% of the time.

Hahaha, are you saying that because it was you on the other end of that discussion? I know you love China so much that you are willing to praise their genocide of Uyghur people.

Maybe you could distill the theory for us a bit so we can decipher why "socialism" is producing hundreds of billionaires.

Hahaha, are you saying that because it was you on the other end of that discussion?

Not to my knowledge, but there's no way for anyone to know what incident it's referencing so it could be any conversation they had with anyone, or made up whole cloth. I say this exact thing every time I see someone claim something happened on the fediverse without providing a link 1 2 3, and I haven't been wrong yet. And that's not really surprising, why wouldn't someone provide a link to something that made the other side look bad, unless it didn't actually play out the way they claim?

For example, when you say that I "praise the genocide of Uyghur people," that is a lie, and it should be obvious that it's a lie from the fact that you didn't provide a link to it.

I'd be happy to have a good faith discussion regarding China's economic policies and how they relate to socialism. Just not with someone who I already know is going to lie, misrepresent whatever I say, and act in bad faith, as I know you will.

From the position of your acceptance of Uyghur genocide and pretending that China is anywhere near the left, it's astonishing you are comfortable accusing anyone else of bad faith.

There's simply no way to have a serious discussion with you regarding anything about China. That's why you have chosen the lemmy.ml instance, it is a hivemind of like thinkers all sheltered from the truth by fragile admins.

Oh, look at that, you can't provide a link. Because you're a liar. And once again my rule is proven true.

Oh, you want links? I can give you links.

Here you are linking to an article saying it isn't genocide: https://lemmy.world/comment/12211000

Here you are refusing to accept the genocide is happening despite a huge number of links: https://lemmy.world/comment/11959309

And as a bonus here's some trollish avoidance of admitting that the Tienanmen Square massacre happened: https://lemmy.world/comment/12256833

You do know there's a search function, right?

None of those links show me "praising" a genocide. That remains a bold faced, blatant lie.

Tbh, I find that this sort of casual lying is so common in spaces like .world that nobody even seems to care. Maybe it's a neurotypical thing, where you're allowed to tell lies so long as you're lying about the out group. Frankly, when people don't even acknowledge such things as lies, I have to wonder if they're even capable of being truthful or acting in good faith.

Those "huge number of sources" I actually went through point by point. Here's a book from the 1930's called 100 Authors Against Einstein which presents "a huge number of sources" claiming that Einstein's findings regarding General Relativity were wrong. Every one of them is wrong.

Also, I'm amazed that you'd link that last one as if it makes me look bad. The person was caught in saying something wrong so they abruptly pivoted to completely unrelated topics in the most textbook example of Whataboutism that I've ever seen in my life, so obviously I refused to indulge them.

Still waiting on a link for your original claim btw.

Also btw I think your first link is to the wrong comment.

Speaking of casual lying, this is what you were accused of:

From the position of your acceptance of Uyghur genocide and pretending that China is anywhere near the left, it’s astonishing you are comfortable accusing anyone else of bad faith.

You were not accused of praising a genocide even if you put that word in quotes.

I don't feel like wandering your comment history looking for what you've had to say about China's treatment of Uyghurs. Unless you're not the same Objection I saw posting anime cartoons?

That's me.

I find it pretty convenient how you can so distinctly remember me praising something, but you can't remember anything else about that conversation that would allow you to find it in the search function. Are you sure we can rely on your memory? Because I don't remember ever saying that and I'm pretty sure I would.

Was this the same conversation where you were praising the Holocaust? I can't provide any evidence that that happened because I don't feel like wandering through your comment history, but I have a vague memory of you saying something like that, so I guess if vague memories are the standard of evidence we're relying on, you're looking pretty bad too.

Oh, we can solve that. I'll state for the record right now that the Holocaust is evil, rather than allow you to continue lying about that.

Will you say the same right now about China's treatment of the Uyghurs?

I will say right now that no genocide is praiseworthy, and that I have never praised any genocide in my life.

Right, you won't. You will prevaricate. You deny the China is doing anything to the Uyghur people, which is your form of supporting it. Thank you for proving me correct.

TIL all this time that I was calling myself an Atheist, I was actually praising God.

Might as well. You already praise a "socialist" China that objectively doesn't exist. AFAICT that religion you've subscribed to is the main reason you are denying the human rights abuses they are committing.

As I already said, I have no interest in explaining my positions or reasons to someone who is a blatant liar who I know is acting in bad faith and looking to twist around everything I say.

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For example, when you say that I “praise the genocide of Uyghur people,” that is a lie, and it should be obvious that it’s a lie from the fact that you didn’t provide a link to it.

That's right! OBJECTION! is just a genocide denialist, like Holocaust denialists! Much better.

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