They're back and posting BS! Jill (a Russian asset) is still more evil than Kamala, so it really doesn't matter what she thinks. I can't wait until the election is over so that you stop posting about the candidate that will lose.
Emphasis on this point.
Jill Stein has NO path to victory. She would require a 50%+1 majority in at least 270 EV worth of states. She doesn't even have 10% of the vote share in any state. Thus a vote for her is only marginally better than a vote for Trump, and about as effective as staying home on Election Day.
This particular poster's shiny object, Rechele Fruit, has even LESS of a chance. This candidate would require 50%+1 in three states, plus a successful write-in campaign for 50%+1 in another nine states (has that EVER happened in a SINGLE state) to get 87 EVs, a far cry from the 270 she needs to be elected. A vote for her is a fart in the wind. She doesn't even make the polling.
One of two people will take the Oath of Office in 2025. If you don't want Donald Trump and Project 2025 shoved up our privates, vote Harris. If you don't want Harris, for whatever reason, may you suffer the consequences of Project 2025 particularly harshly, though I doubt many of the shi...err, posters who post here bashing Harris and the Dems will have to suffer the consequences of their claimed votes.
I mostly agree, with one correction:
Thus a vote for her is only marginally better than a vote for Trump
It isn’t. A vote for her IS a vote for trump, because FPTP voting means a (fake) non-right candidate can only siphon votes from the left.
She’s not marginally better than trump – she’s actively anti-democratic.
e: my autocorrect really hates me today.
I will give this a tiny bit of leyway.
Every vote for Trump is BOTH a lost vote for Harris, AND a vote for Trump. If there are 100 people voting for Trump and Harris as neighbourhood VIP, and 80 of them pledge themselves for Harris and 20 for Trump, it's not a big deal if 50 of the 80 Harris voters decide on Election Day that they'd rather be doing something else than voting, Harris wins 30 to 20, and we're all good. We could even lose 1 or 2 of these votes to Third Party candidates like Stein, and it'd not matter, But if 29 of the 80 voters say "fuck that woman, Imma vote for Trump", then suddenly we need all 51 remaining voters to stay on deck, because if three of them decide to stay home or vote third party, we're fucked. If only ONE of them decides to join the Trumpers, it's game over -- 50/50 tie, and the game is rigged for the Trumpers to get him elected VIP if that happens.
That is what I meant by marginally better. That Stein voter could have betrayed everything they claim to stand for and become a Trump voter, after all!
In a perfect world, where the president was chosen by the popular vote, yes, you’d be right. Going by pure mathematics, everything you said is true.
Unfortunately we have the electoral college, and in key places, the margins are so thin that only a handful of voters being swayed to vote for Stein can make all the difference. We saw this in 2016, where the popular vote went to Hillary but she lost, and the margins in key areas was less than what Stein won in those areas.
This is why she’s being pushed so hard. It has worked before.
I get that people are disillusioned by the clusterfuck that FPTP voting has created, which is why I’ve been pushing so hard for people to fight that, rather than protest-voting, which is objectively worse.
Oh, I'm 100% with you on this! It comes down to this because we have such a bitterly divided country (and frankly world -- 8 years ago, I was begging to move to Canada, now, not so much), and it's real easy to convince people in swing-states to make frankly absofuckinglutely stupid decisions and vote Third Party.
I was just saying it can be worse. That Stein voter could just cut to the chase and vote Trump to 'burn it all down'...like many said they were going to do in 2016.
True. I just think that’s a distinction without a difference.
Heh, indeed. In the end, we have a fight on our hands. If this election were to be decided like it should be, 70 to 30 AGAINST the convicted felon, if not more, then our resident Satanist could be ignored without a second thought. But it's like 50.1 vs. 49.9 in the closest races, the ones that will decide the election in the EC, with the Shitgibbon just a HAIRS width behind Harris, and we've got all the same shitheads that we PROVED in 2016 were in the tank for Russia and Trump, pushing the exact same bullshit that the Dems are the evilest evil since the beginning of Evil and you should totally vote for the Greenie or somebody else or just fucking stay home, and it fucking worked in 2016 and was pretty damn close to working in 2020. And they're using and abusing all forms of social media to keep shovelling their bullshit.
Just 28 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes and 36...35...34 HEHEHE seconds until this shit is over. Here's hoping it ends with the good outcome and not Trump for 4 more years!
Meh, I'm not voting for Stein. Or Harris. Or Trump. So I'm not worried. But thanks for the shoutout for "Rachele" Fruit!
So you have no dog in this fight. Maybe sit this one out, champ, and stop trying to persuade others to follow your anti-democratic example.
For the rest of us, please vote! And bring friends with you! Every vote matters. We need all hands on deck.
Maybe sit this one out, champ, and stop trying to persuade others to follow your anti-democratic example.
Me saying who I am voting for, isn't "trying to persuade others."
I have always said, and will continue to say, people should vote for who they want to. Yes, I encourage everyone to vote for and vote for who they want to, and not allow themselves to be bullied into making a decision they are not comfortable with.
So nah, not sitting this one out. Thank you!
You constantly making posts and comments pushing for, again, a clear Russian plant whose entire purpose is to prop up a candidate who has already committed treason twice and who has openly admitted he will end democracy is not benign. Your contributions have, so far, not contributed to healthy discourse, but have been pretty obviously made with the intention to promote division.
If that’s who you are, just own it. If it’s not, take a step back and examine your motives.
And – this one is crucial – how to productively redirect your efforts, if you’re in fact sincere: FairVote Action, an actual grass-roots org working to get rid of the FPTP system to make democracy actually fair.
If you take nothing else from my comments, at least look at that last link. Your energy would be far better served there than what you’re doing now. Be the change you want to see.
I'm not voting for Jill Stein, though.
And I’m not pushing her as a candidate, and I’m definitely not telling people who to vote for. I trust the American public to make their own decisions based on what they believe, for whatever reasons matter to them.
I don’t write the articles; I just post links to them. It’s up to each person to decide if they want to click and read or ignore it entirely.
Be the change you want to see.
Oh I am being the change i wanna see. I want to see diversity of political thought without bullying. Thank you!
What country do you live in?
Be the change you want to see.
Oh I am being the change I wanna see. I want to see diversity of political thought without bullying.
What county do I live in? I'm here in the US. Where do you think I am?! lol
Friend, I've been voting since before you were born. I've been voting since 1988.
lol. Friend, I’m older than you. Stop assuming things about people.
You said you’re not voting. Why are you relentlessly pushing Stein? Be honest.
Oh well if you ARE older than me, then my apologies. Because it's usually people 30 years younger yelling at me. But you are right, I made that assumption.
And I didn't say I'm not voting, I said I'm not voting for Stein. I've always been honest.
So you’re not voting for Harris, or trump, or Stein – why are your posts almost exclusively pro-Stein?
Did you even look at my links? How can you be my age and so completely blind to the political landscape?
Which issues are you stuck on, to the point you’re this coy and uninformed enough to be advocating for a spoiler in favour of a documented autocrat? I’m seriously at a loss.
I post articles, I don't write them. What makes you think that I have to agree 100 percent with every article I post? That's not a rule, nor is it a goal of this political news community.
I’ve posted articles that are critical of Trump, Stein, and Harris, as well as articles praising each of them.
I'm actually voting Socialist Workers Party. I believe in choices, and I support people voting for whoever they want. That is their right. As it's my right. Thank you!
Reuters news service wrote a political news article. I thought it was interesting. So I posted it. That's it. Nothing nefarious going on.
And I'll do the same thing after the election when I see interesting political news articles. There is no conspiracy here.
Everyone here can already see right through you, as you can see by the comments. You continue to use the "I didn't write the article" excuse while almost exclusively posting content that will get Trump elected. It's not hard to see, you're pretty bad at it.
It’s not hard to see, you’re pretty bad at it.
Well, then you have nothing to worry about or be mad about. So yay!
Me not writing the article isn't an excuse. It's a fact. Seriously, write to Reuters if you feel they are doing the public a disservice by writing articles like this. Thank you!
I'm writing you for doing the public here on lemmy a disservice by posting pro-Trump content. It has nothing to do with Reuters.
And I am disagreeing with you and I won't stop posting articles. Thank you.
You certainly had to stop posting articles when you got banned for sealioning (trolling).
Nope, we're not in other communities or instances. We're here. Add it to the sealioning pile.
You said I had to stop posting. And I mentioned that I didn't stop posting, only that I didn't post to this one community. Lemmy is a large place. Lots of different instances too. I was plenty busy this weekend on Lemmy and it was awesome! :)
Just a note: You can block me and you won't have to see anything I post or comment on.
Thank you!
Hmm, I don't see where I told you to stop posting. I said you're doing the public a disservice by posting pro-Trump content.
Just a note: I won't block you, because I want to see the immensive amounts of downvotes you get. It brings a smile to my face, knowing that most people here are smart and actually care. Usually, I do block people like you, but you're a special case!
said you’re doing the public a disservice by posting pro-Trump content.
So are the news orgs doing a disservice by writing the articles I post? If so, please let you opinion be known with them directly.
Usually, I do block people like you, but you’re a special case!
Thank you for the compliments, friend! :)
Yes they are, and you're just as bad for sharing it. I'm letting my opinion be known with you directly.
Hmm, I don’t see where I told you to stop posting.
Your exact quote: "You certainly had to stop posting articles when you got banned for sealioning (trolling)."
I didn't say, nor imply, that you ordered me to stop posting. I noted that you mentioned that I had to stop posting, and I clarified it for you. Thank you!
Add it to the sealioning pile. Actually, it's more of a hill at this point. But still.
They're back and posting BS! Jill (a Russian asset) is still more evil than Kamala, so it really doesn't matter what she thinks. I can't wait until the election is over so that you stop posting about the candidate that will lose.
Emphasis on this point.
Jill Stein has NO path to victory. She would require a 50%+1 majority in at least 270 EV worth of states. She doesn't even have 10% of the vote share in any state. Thus a vote for her is only marginally better than a vote for Trump, and about as effective as staying home on Election Day.
This particular poster's shiny object, Rechele Fruit, has even LESS of a chance. This candidate would require 50%+1 in three states, plus a successful write-in campaign for 50%+1 in another nine states (has that EVER happened in a SINGLE state) to get 87 EVs, a far cry from the 270 she needs to be elected. A vote for her is a fart in the wind. She doesn't even make the polling.
One of two people will take the Oath of Office in 2025. If you don't want Donald Trump and Project 2025 shoved up our privates, vote Harris. If you don't want Harris, for whatever reason, may you suffer the consequences of Project 2025 particularly harshly, though I doubt many of the shi...err, posters who post here bashing Harris and the Dems will have to suffer the consequences of their claimed votes.
I mostly agree, with one correction:
It isn’t. A vote for her IS a vote for trump, because FPTP voting means a (fake) non-right candidate can only siphon votes from the left.
Here’s a great video that shows why, mathematically, she can only help trump win, and explains why a lot of Stein’s money comes from Republican (and Russian) interests. She’s not grass-roots, and she’s not left-leaning. Saying she’s a Russian asset is not hyperbole.
She’s not marginally better than trump – she’s actively anti-democratic.
e: my autocorrect really hates me today.
I will give this a tiny bit of leyway.
Every vote for Trump is BOTH a lost vote for Harris, AND a vote for Trump. If there are 100 people voting for Trump and Harris as neighbourhood VIP, and 80 of them pledge themselves for Harris and 20 for Trump, it's not a big deal if 50 of the 80 Harris voters decide on Election Day that they'd rather be doing something else than voting, Harris wins 30 to 20, and we're all good. We could even lose 1 or 2 of these votes to Third Party candidates like Stein, and it'd not matter, But if 29 of the 80 voters say "fuck that woman, Imma vote for Trump", then suddenly we need all 51 remaining voters to stay on deck, because if three of them decide to stay home or vote third party, we're fucked. If only ONE of them decides to join the Trumpers, it's game over -- 50/50 tie, and the game is rigged for the Trumpers to get him elected VIP if that happens.
That is what I meant by marginally better. That Stein voter could have betrayed everything they claim to stand for and become a Trump voter, after all!
In a perfect world, where the president was chosen by the popular vote, yes, you’d be right. Going by pure mathematics, everything you said is true.
Unfortunately we have the electoral college, and in key places, the margins are so thin that only a handful of voters being swayed to vote for Stein can make all the difference. We saw this in 2016, where the popular vote went to Hillary but she lost, and the margins in key areas was less than what Stein won in those areas.
This is why she’s being pushed so hard. It has worked before.
I get that people are disillusioned by the clusterfuck that FPTP voting has created, which is why I’ve been pushing so hard for people to fight that, rather than protest-voting, which is objectively worse.
Oh, I'm 100% with you on this! It comes down to this because we have such a bitterly divided country (and frankly world -- 8 years ago, I was begging to move to Canada, now, not so much), and it's real easy to convince people in swing-states to make frankly absofuckinglutely stupid decisions and vote Third Party.
I was just saying it can be worse. That Stein voter could just cut to the chase and vote Trump to 'burn it all down'...like many said they were going to do in 2016.
True. I just think that’s a distinction without a difference.
Heh, indeed. In the end, we have a fight on our hands. If this election were to be decided like it should be, 70 to 30 AGAINST the convicted felon, if not more, then our resident Satanist could be ignored without a second thought. But it's like 50.1 vs. 49.9 in the closest races, the ones that will decide the election in the EC, with the Shitgibbon just a HAIRS width behind Harris, and we've got all the same shitheads that we PROVED in 2016 were in the tank for Russia and Trump, pushing the exact same bullshit that the Dems are the evilest evil since the beginning of Evil and you should totally vote for the Greenie or somebody else or just fucking stay home, and it fucking worked in 2016 and was pretty damn close to working in 2020. And they're using and abusing all forms of social media to keep shovelling their bullshit.
Just 28 days, 4 hours, 11 minutes and 36...35...34 HEHEHE seconds until this shit is over. Here's hoping it ends with the good outcome and not Trump for 4 more years!
Meh, I'm not voting for Stein. Or Harris. Or Trump. So I'm not worried. But thanks for the shoutout for "Rachele" Fruit!
So you have no dog in this fight. Maybe sit this one out, champ, and stop trying to persuade others to follow your anti-democratic example.
For the rest of us, please vote! And bring friends with you! Every vote matters. We need all hands on deck.
Me saying who I am voting for, isn't "trying to persuade others."
I have always said, and will continue to say, people should vote for who they want to. Yes, I encourage everyone to vote for and vote for who they want to, and not allow themselves to be bullied into making a decision they are not comfortable with.
So nah, not sitting this one out. Thank you!
You constantly making posts and comments pushing for, again, a clear Russian plant whose entire purpose is to prop up a candidate who has already committed treason twice and who has openly admitted he will end democracy is not benign. Your contributions have, so far, not contributed to healthy discourse, but have been pretty obviously made with the intention to promote division.
If that’s who you are, just own it. If it’s not, take a step back and examine your motives.
Here are some sources for you:
Russians launched pro-Jill Stein social media blitz to help Trump win election, reports say
FPTP Voting
And – this one is crucial – how to productively redirect your efforts, if you’re in fact sincere: FairVote Action, an actual grass-roots org working to get rid of the FPTP system to make democracy actually fair.
If you take nothing else from my comments, at least look at that last link. Your energy would be far better served there than what you’re doing now. Be the change you want to see.
I'm not voting for Jill Stein, though.
And I’m not pushing her as a candidate, and I’m definitely not telling people who to vote for. I trust the American public to make their own decisions based on what they believe, for whatever reasons matter to them.
I don’t write the articles; I just post links to them. It’s up to each person to decide if they want to click and read or ignore it entirely.
Oh I am being the change i wanna see. I want to see diversity of political thought without bullying. Thank you!
What country do you live in?
Oh I am being the change I wanna see. I want to see diversity of political thought without bullying.
What county do I live in? I'm here in the US. Where do you think I am?! lol
Friend, I've been voting since before you were born. I've been voting since 1988.
lol. Friend, I’m older than you. Stop assuming things about people.
You said you’re not voting. Why are you relentlessly pushing Stein? Be honest.
Oh well if you ARE older than me, then my apologies. Because it's usually people 30 years younger yelling at me. But you are right, I made that assumption.
And I didn't say I'm not voting, I said I'm not voting for Stein. I've always been honest.
So you’re not voting for Harris, or trump, or Stein – why are your posts almost exclusively pro-Stein?
Did you even look at my links? How can you be my age and so completely blind to the political landscape?
Which issues are you stuck on, to the point you’re this coy and uninformed enough to be advocating for a spoiler in favour of a documented autocrat? I’m seriously at a loss.
I post articles, I don't write them. What makes you think that I have to agree 100 percent with every article I post? That's not a rule, nor is it a goal of this political news community.
I’ve posted articles that are critical of Trump, Stein, and Harris, as well as articles praising each of them.
I'm actually voting Socialist Workers Party. I believe in choices, and I support people voting for whoever they want. That is their right. As it's my right. Thank you!
Ah, but the result of your vote will be the same.
Reuters news service wrote a political news article. I thought it was interesting. So I posted it. That's it. Nothing nefarious going on.
And I'll do the same thing after the election when I see interesting political news articles. There is no conspiracy here.
Everyone here can already see right through you, as you can see by the comments. You continue to use the "I didn't write the article" excuse while almost exclusively posting content that will get Trump elected. It's not hard to see, you're pretty bad at it.
Well, then you have nothing to worry about or be mad about. So yay!
Me not writing the article isn't an excuse. It's a fact. Seriously, write to Reuters if you feel they are doing the public a disservice by writing articles like this. Thank you!
I'm writing you for doing the public here on lemmy a disservice by posting pro-Trump content. It has nothing to do with Reuters.
And I am disagreeing with you and I won't stop posting articles. Thank you.
You certainly had to stop posting articles when you got banned for sealioning (trolling).
Well, I stopped posting articles here to this one community. But were you under the impression that I stopped posting articles to other communities and even other Lemmy instances? https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
Nope, we're not in other communities or instances. We're here. Add it to the sealioning pile.
You said I had to stop posting. And I mentioned that I didn't stop posting, only that I didn't post to this one community. Lemmy is a large place. Lots of different instances too. I was plenty busy this weekend on Lemmy and it was awesome! :)
Just a note: You can block me and you won't have to see anything I post or comment on.
Thank you!
Hmm, I don't see where I told you to stop posting. I said you're doing the public a disservice by posting pro-Trump content.
Just a note: I won't block you, because I want to see the immensive amounts of downvotes you get. It brings a smile to my face, knowing that most people here are smart and actually care. Usually, I do block people like you, but you're a special case!
So are the news orgs doing a disservice by writing the articles I post? If so, please let you opinion be known with them directly.
Thank you for the compliments, friend! :)
Yes they are, and you're just as bad for sharing it. I'm letting my opinion be known with you directly.
Your exact quote: "You certainly had to stop posting articles when you got banned for sealioning (trolling)."
I didn't say, nor imply, that you ordered me to stop posting. I noted that you mentioned that I had to stop posting, and I clarified it for you. Thank you!
Add it to the sealioning pile. Actually, it's more of a hill at this point. But still.