I think r/menslib shows it can be done, with very clear community rules and good moderation. There's definitely a need for it. There are plenty of men out there with their heads screwed on right and who need to be able to talk about issues that effect men without the conversation being derailed into sexist rants about women. I think maybe you're a little too pessimistic about men and their ability to define masculinity for themselves in a healthy and un sexist way.
I'm in my mid 40s and most men who can have these kind of thoughts have ended up being trans or queer.
Interesting, I'm late 40s, and I'd say my closest straight male friends definitely fall more within the men's lib way of thinking, or at least are valiantly trying, because they see through the bullshit and see how harmful it is. The vast majority of straight men of my generation though, no, they're not like that at all. It's desperately sad. They're miserable and angry but can't see the box they're in that's making them that way.
I'm in my 30s, and I've heard most of the straight men I know rant or at least comment about transphobia, sexism, and/or racism. I'm in a red state, so I know there are plenty of trash men, but the ones in my city are generally ok.
Yeah this is both my age and my experience.
That said everyone seems really into this idea so I’m prepared to be proven wrong. Who knows, maybe the new men’s liberation ideology that Nalatie foretold truly is out there.
I think r/menslib shows it can be done, with very clear community rules and good moderation. There's definitely a need for it. There are plenty of men out there with their heads screwed on right and who need to be able to talk about issues that effect men without the conversation being derailed into sexist rants about women. I think maybe you're a little too pessimistic about men and their ability to define masculinity for themselves in a healthy and un sexist way.
I'm in my mid 40s and most men who can have these kind of thoughts have ended up being trans or queer.
Interesting, I'm late 40s, and I'd say my closest straight male friends definitely fall more within the men's lib way of thinking, or at least are valiantly trying, because they see through the bullshit and see how harmful it is. The vast majority of straight men of my generation though, no, they're not like that at all. It's desperately sad. They're miserable and angry but can't see the box they're in that's making them that way.
I'm in my 30s, and I've heard most of the straight men I know rant or at least comment about transphobia, sexism, and/or racism. I'm in a red state, so I know there are plenty of trash men, but the ones in my city are generally ok.
Yeah this is both my age and my experience.
That said everyone seems really into this idea so I’m prepared to be proven wrong. Who knows, maybe the new men’s liberation ideology that Nalatie foretold truly is out there.