Not a great look here overall. Was definitely hoping they would take a little bit more accountability. The solution seems simple. Spend less money on egregiously expensive equipment and spend more money on making sure things are accurate before they go out the door.

Not a social media thing. The original quote goes:

Rousseau, who was also one of the people, said: 'When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich.'

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_the_rich

I think the general perspective on beehaw needs to change. There's no way they can realistically continue to maintain the largest communities on the threadiverse with only four mods and this is exactly why they should have never let themselves get in that position in the first place.

Super annoying but a great time to bring up Lemmy's crossposting feature! If the image is hosted nonlocally and posted separately, Lemmy can automatically combine the posts and show it as crosspost links. Seems like this feature should work for local media as well but does not seem to in this case. Now this could be user error or this may be a place that the feature can be improved.

None of these issues are fundamental. They stem from poor planning from the mod team. You cannot moderate most of the largest communities on the threadiverse with four mods for ALL communities.

I don't think we've seen any evidence of this yet but I think we should be skeptical of sudden spikes. Could be bots.

This is so true and people seem to have a really hard time seeing this. The cultures on other social sites are far more manufactured than we'd like to believe. I think the human driven systems of Lemmy and Mastodon are brilliant but the true killer feature of the fediverse is going to be an open content recommendation algorithm. A collectively developed non-profit driven algorithm would undoubtedly be better at surfacing positive impact content than either system.

Regardless of where the loss in users is coming from the major takeaway here is that we are firmly in a reinvestment phase. This will likely last until Reddit does something stupid related to the IPO but in the absence of that we will probably not see a significant uptick in growth again without major improvements to the threadiverse as a whole. That means that those of us who are personally invested in the growth of the threadiverse should be taking this time to develop the tools and features necessary to weather the next wave more gracefully than the last.

One of the biggest issue I see here is still community growth. Growing certain communities is significantly harder than others and if you don't have a lot of crossposting potential it can be damn near impossible. As it stands, I do not see a way to fix this situation without a hot and active ranking system that takes into account the number of users active in the particular community. As part of a change like this I think we would be best served by consolidating a significant portion of the small dead communities. I think we should also strongly prefer specialized instances like lemmy.film or literature.cafe to truly take advantage of the special attention these sorts of instances are capable of providing particular topics. As it stands only a handful of them have enough broader threadiverse activity to be truly useful.

Another thing I would like to suggest is a change in recruitment strategy. At this point it seems like we are unlikely to pull a significant amount of users from Reddit without more reddit-policy-driven migration, but there are tons of highly educated and engaged users over on Mastodon that would make serious positive contributions to the tone and quality of the discourse over here. For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind. Not only that but I actively see folks disparaging Mastodon in fediverse related communities on a regular basis (and even sometimes in the Mastodon communities themselves). As far as I can tell, these are largely lingering sentiments from a Reddit/Twitter dichotomy. Remember, as things develop the lines between threaded social media and microblogging are likely to blur. A significant number of Mastodon apps already provide a threaded view and one of kbins explicit goals is very much to bridge the gap. With this in mind, Mastodon (and federated microblogging more generally) seems like the best source for new potential users.

Lol at the implication that the term community is indicative of communism.

But it's probably not legal for them to sell it. The fact that they've tricked us into thinking this is normal is part of the problem.

I think we need to start thinking about the hard work of moving a lot of that essential information from Reddit to open community wikis.

Honestly this stuff is pretty important for morale and organization among users. Particularly because reddit is censoring conversation on their site. I don't think it's useful to complain about it at this point.

I've posted this elsewhere in the thread so hopefully it doesn't feel spammy, but this is from their privacy policy:

"Information From Third Party Services and Users: We collect information about the Third Party Services and Third Party Users who interact with Threads. If you interact with Threads through a Third Party Service (such as by following Threads users, interacting with Threads content, or by allowing Threads users to follow you or interact with your content), we collect information about your third-party account and profile (such as your username, profile picture, IP address, and the name of the Third Party Service on which you are registered), your content (such as when you allow Threads users to follow, like, reshare, or have mentions in your posts), and your interactions (such as when you follow, like, reshare, or have mentions in Threads posts).

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Before reddit removed them most of this compiled knowledge was in the subreddit wikis. I honestly believe a return to communities with wikis is the long term replacement.

I think it's best acknowledged that FunkWhale is much closer to a federated Soundcloud than a federated Spotify. Still a very cool project.

Just so you know it may not be your fault. There's a bug that sometimes causes you to see one post when in reality you are interacting with another. Pretty sure there's already a fix in an upcoming version though.

To differentiate from people who are talking about multireddits, because what I think you're really after is an open content algorithm. The answer is not yet but I think it's only a matter of time. This is the real killer feature of the fediverse that hasn't been talked about yet.

That and the sorting at this time really doesn't allow for niche communities to grow.

None of these issues are fundamental. They stem from poor planning from the mod team. You cannot moderate all of the largest communities with four mods for ALL communities.

I'll be honest a big motivation for posting this is to try to get feminist men active in a dedicated community on Lemmy. Currently there's !mensliberation@lemmy.ca but it's fairly inactive. Trying to give it a bit of a jump start so if anybody feels like that's something they would benefit from please check it out! Also if anybody knows of a similar community with more activity please let me know.

What happened to vlemmy?

There's no way they can reasonably continue to host the largest threadiverse instances with this plan.

Pretty sure it has absolutely nothing to do with user complaints and everything to do with talk of regulation.

I think a really important thing to consider here is how much of Reddit's culture was a result of bots and dark patterns. I think people will actually adjust fairly quickly and once sign ups start to settle a sort of diffuse equilibrium of cultures and attitudes will form that will generally look very different from Reddit. All that said, I think the foundational culture that we establish now will prove to be incredibly important. I think this is a great argument for why existing communities may choose to stay in the medium-weight class. Thereby avoiding the growth boost that comes from being the largest community.

EDIT: Also important to note, I feel like this is gonna be a slow, slow process. We really have no idea when sign-ups will settle and could be looking at months or days of Reddit hemorrhaging users. I think we'll have a better idea after things kick off on the 30th.

I see what you're saying, but as a trans woman from a very rural area I see so much pain in the men in my life. And a lot of them I think just need to understand that they personally are harmed by the patriarchal ideas that they grew up with. Talking to many of them you can tell that they can FEEL the harm but lack the words and community to put the whole picture together.

Before reddit removed them most of this compiled knowledge was in the subreddit wikis. I honestly believe a return to communities with wikis is the long term replacement.

This would be amazing. Huge opportunity here but of course some of the highest moderation requirements of any community. Near the levels required for something like r/ask_historians

Note that what they're really interested in here is a fundamental change in how extras work. They want to turn it from an industry that hires early/struggling actors and turns it into the sort of thing that a college student can get one-time emergency money from. Akin to selling blood or eggs.

Hexbear is a firehose of leftist shitposting.
EDIT: Also fairly old by fediverse standards.

I'm going to copy my post from elsewhere here:

Not only did we let them monopolize niche knowledge we also let them completely supplant forums and other methods for discussion on the web while letting them slowly poison the quality of discussion overall through the wide spread use of bot manipulation. Imagine an internet with reasonable, easy to access, informative and kind discussion. That is where we will trend without highly corporatized outrage driven content algorithms and it's not just a completely different internet, but a completely different world.

To be clear, the article is talking about correlations in polling, not suggesting you strike up conversations with your neighbors.

It's a reference to the women's lib movement. It's about liberation from patriarchy and traditional gender roles.

See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_liberation_movement

Feels pretty exploitative. Hope it goes away without karma as an incentive.

The thing that makes this notable is that those beehaw communities were the largest and therefore defacto defaults.

The main advantage that I see is that they will almost certainly fall out of favor with the majority of the larger threadiverse community. They cannot continue to operate all of the largest communities with a mod team of 4 but seemingly have no plans to change it. They need to be ok with changing their stated relation to the larger threadiverse or they will be doing real damage to the larger community.

My personal pet theory is that a lot of people were doing work that involved getting multiple LLMs in communication. When those conversations were then used in the RL loop we start seeing degradation similar to what’s been in the news recently with regards to image generation models. I believe this is the paper that got everybody talking about it recently: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2307.01850.pdf

One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is that at a large scale this probably has significant impacts on weather patterns.

What was your old username? Would be helpful to look you up in the modlogs

That's amazing to hear and I really feel like beehaw is exactly the sort of space that could pull it off. Y'all do great work over there

We do need to continue growing at a natural but stained rate. 50-60k is not a healthy place to stop and there's still a lot of low hanging fruit development-wise.