No army in the world will begin the counteroffensive without prevailing in the sky and big artillery support. Ukrainians have to do this because they are on their own Ukrainian land. Do not criticise them!
My response was towards taking down the soviet symbolism. For the longest time I didn't know that the Motherland statue still had the hammer and sickle on her.
The counter-offensive will take as long as it needs to take. They changed tactics and are currently focusing shaping operations, artillery, ammo dumps and headquarters.
Ukraine is a democracy, so first this issue was discussed, and then voted upon by the citizens. Citizens indicated that they would prefer the trident on the shield.
Technical expertise was conducted. It all took time.
Smaller thing like Lenin's monuments were easier to dismantle. This coat of arms is more tricky to take down, since this may influence the overall balance of the monument.
What are they doing with the 12,000 soldier's names from the red army memorialised on it?
This coat of arms has no names on it, it's just a once ubiquitous Soviet coat of arms.
I know, but the whole statue is a ww2 memorial to nearly 12,000 soldiers that fought and died for the soviet union against the nazis, the OUN and the UPA as part of the red army. Defacing the USSR's symbol on it is the defacement of part of the memorial to them and what they fought for. The famous saying "Slave Ukraini" that is currently popular is the formal greeting of the OUN/UPA which is specifically something these soldiers fought and died fighting against, thus my thinking that they may also remove the names and all links to it being a ww2 memorial.
I think what OP was saying is that they want to remove the coat of arms from the monument not the monument
Right but they're removing the thing that those people fought and died for. Which is why I wonder whether they're going to remove them as well. It is turning a soviet memorial to the dead that fought for the soviet union against the nazis into a symbol of ukrainian nationalism.
It seems like a terrible waste of resources too at this time to have labour going into this in the middle of a war instead of doing war construction, when the decommunisation law explicitly excludes and protects ww2 memorials from defacement. The only reason I can think of for doing this now while there is no political opposition is because it might be difficult to do later when a political opposition finally exists again.
Nice. I was wondering why it took so long.
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No army in the world will begin the counteroffensive without prevailing in the sky and big artillery support. Ukrainians have to do this because they are on their own Ukrainian land. Do not criticise them!
My response was towards taking down the soviet symbolism. For the longest time I didn't know that the Motherland statue still had the hammer and sickle on her.
The counter-offensive will take as long as it needs to take. They changed tactics and are currently focusing shaping operations, artillery, ammo dumps and headquarters.
Ukraine is a democracy, so first this issue was discussed, and then voted upon by the citizens. Citizens indicated that they would prefer the trident on the shield.
Technical expertise was conducted. It all took time.
Smaller thing like Lenin's monuments were easier to dismantle. This coat of arms is more tricky to take down, since this may influence the overall balance of the monument.
What are they doing with the 12,000 soldier's names from the red army memorialised on it?
This coat of arms has no names on it, it's just a once ubiquitous Soviet coat of arms.
I know, but the whole statue is a ww2 memorial to nearly 12,000 soldiers that fought and died for the soviet union against the nazis, the OUN and the UPA as part of the red army. Defacing the USSR's symbol on it is the defacement of part of the memorial to them and what they fought for. The famous saying "Slave Ukraini" that is currently popular is the formal greeting of the OUN/UPA which is specifically something these soldiers fought and died fighting against, thus my thinking that they may also remove the names and all links to it being a ww2 memorial.
I think what OP was saying is that they want to remove the coat of arms from the monument not the monument
Right but they're removing the thing that those people fought and died for. Which is why I wonder whether they're going to remove them as well. It is turning a soviet memorial to the dead that fought for the soviet union against the nazis into a symbol of ukrainian nationalism.
It seems like a terrible waste of resources too at this time to have labour going into this in the middle of a war instead of doing war construction, when the decommunisation law explicitly excludes and protects ww2 memorials from defacement. The only reason I can think of for doing this now while there is no political opposition is because it might be difficult to do later when a political opposition finally exists again.