I wish everyone being against VPN a very pleasant fuck you and get a life and or a rope. VPN is essential for cyber security and banning it would literally fuck up most IT work in the world. Fucking greedy assholes. Now im pirating something just to spite them. Time to fill the library again!
The phrasing of the law would most likely allow use of VPN for commercial use but ban for private use, so it's unlikely to have a major impact on coorporate IT work in general.
The article also mentions this VPN ban in a context of VPN services being marketed specifically for piracy use as the scope rather than "legitimate" VPN services in general.
But yeah, these people can get bent...
So how would that work? You can not distinguish between commercial or private use, because the traffic is encrypted, you don’t know what is transmitted, that is the whole point.
You can still see which vpn you are using, which is likely the rout they'd go.
That and going after the private VPN providers.
Then suddenly all VPN providers will be „commercial“.
Enforcing that you need a business licence to buy a VPN is easy and requires very little. They suddenly can't sell you a subscription if you can't provide the business licence.
Sure, but that only works if you're purchasing a VPN that follows the same law. My VPN couldn't give a fuck less about my country's legislation
So, everybody uses IPSec now?
They're asking for TV manufacturers to block a VPN app in the TV. Not to block VPN in general.
To police that shit you would need to decrypt all VPN traffic anyway, that is a. A major security threat b. A massive privacy violation and c. Basically impossible as the computing power necessary would be absolutely gargantuan.
Most VPNs use wire guard or openvpn protocol, that goes for business and private, so there is no difference seen from outside.
Also Proton works on a VPN protocol that would be basically invisible. Hope they can do it.
No you just need to disallow VPN providers to sell access without a business licence, that way the VPN provider can't legally give you access to their network unless you're a registered business, and it would simultaneously remove options for anonymous subscription like mullvad VPN.
Let's see them banning seedboxes LMAO
But what a PITA it would be if you have to use a seedbox for everything, and also expensive if you want/need to keep seeding torrents for extended periods of time so you're not just doing hit'n'runs. But yeah, piracy is pretty much always going to find a way to exist.
And seedboxes of course does nothing for the far more important general online privacy.
I believe the general population will have to become savvy enough to run their own VPNs from their personal VPSes. Also there are affordable seedbox providers which will let you have a decent amount of bandwidth for seeding, but yes I generally agree with your point. We need more upload bandwidth with seedboxes
Yeah you can literally mail Proton money even by proxy. Their VPNs work in some of the worst dictatorships currently on earth.
If they are required by law to only sell to business with a valid licence, they also have to document that all their customers in that country have a valid business licence.
By selling it to someone private, even by proxy, would be illegal and they would be liable to lawsuits by doing so.
Only if they give a shit about some random country's shit law.
There are some treaties in play that allow copyright law to be enforced in some other jurisdictions, but that's a far cry from a VPN. Switzerland isn't going to help you enforce nonsense judgements against companies that don't break any of their laws or laws most of the first world respects.
Unfortunately this is likely from an EU country, which usually carries a little more weight when it comes to cross-border law enforcement co-op.
Not in Switzerland against regulation they consider the dumpster fire of horseshit it is.
Switzerland is not some magical safe haven outside the reach of agencies like Europol.
It actually is. Switzerland isn't part of the EU, and their cooperation agreement with europol is limited to specific things.
They absolutely will not cooperate with bullshit harassment laws against their citizens or businesses.
Unfortunately what you and I consider bullshit harassment laws are not necessarily (and often not) considered that by governments. We can both agree how ridiculous something like this is, if it happened, but I severely doubt courts would have a similar attitude towards it.
They operate from Switzerland... They kinda don't care about other countries legal status of their services. If you want them, you can get them, they already service countries that "ban" such services.
I wish everyone being against VPN a very pleasant fuck you and get a life and or a rope. VPN is essential for cyber security and banning it would literally fuck up most IT work in the world. Fucking greedy assholes. Now im pirating something just to spite them. Time to fill the library again!
The phrasing of the law would most likely allow use of VPN for commercial use but ban for private use, so it's unlikely to have a major impact on coorporate IT work in general.
The article also mentions this VPN ban in a context of VPN services being marketed specifically for piracy use as the scope rather than "legitimate" VPN services in general.
But yeah, these people can get bent...
So how would that work? You can not distinguish between commercial or private use, because the traffic is encrypted, you don’t know what is transmitted, that is the whole point.
You can still see which vpn you are using, which is likely the rout they'd go. That and going after the private VPN providers.
Then suddenly all VPN providers will be „commercial“.
Enforcing that you need a business licence to buy a VPN is easy and requires very little. They suddenly can't sell you a subscription if you can't provide the business licence.
Sure, but that only works if you're purchasing a VPN that follows the same law. My VPN couldn't give a fuck less about my country's legislation
So, everybody uses IPSec now?
They're asking for TV manufacturers to block a VPN app in the TV. Not to block VPN in general.
To police that shit you would need to decrypt all VPN traffic anyway, that is a. A major security threat b. A massive privacy violation and c. Basically impossible as the computing power necessary would be absolutely gargantuan.
Most VPNs use wire guard or openvpn protocol, that goes for business and private, so there is no difference seen from outside.
Also Proton works on a VPN protocol that would be basically invisible. Hope they can do it.
No you just need to disallow VPN providers to sell access without a business licence, that way the VPN provider can't legally give you access to their network unless you're a registered business, and it would simultaneously remove options for anonymous subscription like mullvad VPN.
Let's see them banning seedboxes LMAO
But what a PITA it would be if you have to use a seedbox for everything, and also expensive if you want/need to keep seeding torrents for extended periods of time so you're not just doing hit'n'runs. But yeah, piracy is pretty much always going to find a way to exist.
And seedboxes of course does nothing for the far more important general online privacy.
I believe the general population will have to become savvy enough to run their own VPNs from their personal VPSes. Also there are affordable seedbox providers which will let you have a decent amount of bandwidth for seeding, but yes I generally agree with your point. We need more upload bandwidth with seedboxes
Yeah you can literally mail Proton money even by proxy. Their VPNs work in some of the worst dictatorships currently on earth.
If they are required by law to only sell to business with a valid licence, they also have to document that all their customers in that country have a valid business licence.
By selling it to someone private, even by proxy, would be illegal and they would be liable to lawsuits by doing so.
Only if they give a shit about some random country's shit law.
There are some treaties in play that allow copyright law to be enforced in some other jurisdictions, but that's a far cry from a VPN. Switzerland isn't going to help you enforce nonsense judgements against companies that don't break any of their laws or laws most of the first world respects.
Unfortunately this is likely from an EU country, which usually carries a little more weight when it comes to cross-border law enforcement co-op.
Not in Switzerland against regulation they consider the dumpster fire of horseshit it is.
Switzerland is not some magical safe haven outside the reach of agencies like Europol.
It actually is. Switzerland isn't part of the EU, and their cooperation agreement with europol is limited to specific things.
They absolutely will not cooperate with bullshit harassment laws against their citizens or businesses.
Unfortunately what you and I consider bullshit harassment laws are not necessarily (and often not) considered that by governments. We can both agree how ridiculous something like this is, if it happened, but I severely doubt courts would have a similar attitude towards it.
They operate from Switzerland... They kinda don't care about other countries legal status of their services. If you want them, you can get them, they already service countries that "ban" such services.