Sam Bankman-Fried living on bread and water because jail won't abide vegan diet, lawyer says
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The co-founder of failed cryptocurrency exchange FTX pleaded not guilty to a seven count indictment charging him with wire fraud, securities fraud and money laundering.
An attorney for FTX co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried said in federal court Tuesday his client has to subsist on bread, water and peanut butter because the jail he's in isn't accommodating his vegan diet.
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i don't relish the idea of keeping people in cages and this guy in particular just seems stupid. i don't think there is a good case to be made that inconveniencing him for weeks months or years does us any good, especially since maintaining jails is, itself, kind of inconvenient for us.
I'm personally of the opinion that it's sadly necessary sometimes, but we definitely overuse it and it's always a tragedy when things get to the point where it's necessary.
Regardless of my opinion though, if you're interested in this you should probably check out this bit from a textbook on criminal law talking about the theoretical justifications for punishment because lots of people have thought and written lots about this and you may as well pick up the terminology they tend to use.
e; also, these are the arguments you're going to run into (pretty sure I see deterrence, retribution, and incapacitation theories in this thread)
i read the link and i decided i am NOT going to use that language. i don't want to legitimize most of that shit.
Understandable. When I said "pick up the terminology" I meant in the sense of having the right words to search to find the academic articles in favor of against.
After seeing all their comments on this post, I don't think this person is at the intellectual level of reading and comprehending academic arguments.
i think i'm ok with retribution, like a couple of brothers beating the shit out of their sister's rapist, or shunning or whatever. but i don't like the institution of prisons. we should figure something else out.
This article isn't really addressing the mechanism for punishment, just the reasons why we do it. Like, whether it's a couple of brothers or a taxpayer funded bureaucratic prison system, if we're punishing someone just because we think they deserve it it's retribution.
Beyond that, I feel like what you just described is actually just a step backwards from where we're at currently. Like, why should people who aren't privileged enough to have brothers not get the same kind of justice as people who do?
i imagine everyone has someone who would go to bat for them. it was just an example of ways that people organically take retribution which i am fine with
think harder
if you have another perspective you can express it.
I'm not debating the merits of anything about him any more than I would for Bernie Madoff. If you're unable to see for yourself already why SBF and people like him deserve the realization of actual punishment in jail and/or prison for obvious entitled fuckery and fraudulent behavior that contributed to devastating financial losses for others while they acted like millionaire douchebros in the Bahamas, then thought they'd get away with "sorry, I fucked up", there's nothing I can say to correct that. Off you go now.
you havent actually justified locking up con men.
Duh. To make an example of them to deter other con men from doing the same thing. Same as for drunk drivers who kill people with their cars. No further respect, debate or justification needed. Fuck them and you.
that doesn't work, but i'm glad to see how empathetic you are
Empathy for everyone is overrated. His dumb ass needs to be in jail.
It does work, just not 100%.
Punishment is a valid reason to put someone in prison when it's a serious offence.