Sam Bankman-Fried living on bread and water because jail won't abide vegan diet, lawyer says
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The co-founder of failed cryptocurrency exchange FTX pleaded not guilty to a seven count indictment charging him with wire fraud, securities fraud and money laundering.
An attorney for FTX co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried said in federal court Tuesday his client has to subsist on bread, water and peanut butter because the jail he's in isn't accommodating his vegan diet.
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The main thing is to dissuade people from doing what he did, right?
Fuck around and find out and all that.
If it has any actual use for anyone (e.g. separating dangerous people from society, taking stolen property/money back, preventing them from committing more crimes etc), that's entirely unintentional.
It's more about isolating him so he can't do more harm.
shouldn't those sorts of things be the actual goal of any "justice system"?
Of course, but we all know that's not how it works out in practice (especially in America).
but that doesn't work.
Of course it works. If you threaten someone with jail when they do X, then they are less likely to do X.
To take one example, several states have recently threatened doctors with jail if they perform abortions. As a result, obstetricians are now fleeing those states to avoid being prosecuted for performing their normal medical duties. If jail had no deterrent effect, then obstetricians would stay put and keep doing what they've always been doing, including performing safe abortions.
To take another example, several state have recently decriminalized marijuana, thus reduces the risk of jail for sale and possession. As a result, marijuana is more commonly consumed in public and far more commonly sold in public. If jail had no deterrent effect, there would be no change in the number of businesses selling marijuana.
if it worked then he wouldn't have done it.
Something doesn't have to be 100% effective to work.
Quitting smoking works to prevent cancer. That doesn't mean it is 100% effective in preventing cancer.
so you think the solution to stop someone from doing something you don't like is to put someone else in a cage. i just can't do that. that's wrong.
I can't stop anyone from doing something I don't like.
But historically, there have been plenty of solutions to stop someone from doing something society doesn't like. For example, execution. Torture. Punishing their relatives. Exile. Prison. And asking them nicely to please stop.
Of those, I think prison is the best option. Putting someone in a cage may seem wrong, but letting them freely murder and rape innocent people is more wrong.
no one was murdered or raped here, and i'm not saying to let people murder or rape.
So you're fine with seeing some people in cages. You just don't want to see SBF in a cage.
no. who did i say should be caged?
What do you plan to do with murderers and rapists?
Exile is no longer an option, because no other country will allow them in. And everyone has already been told from a young age that murder and rape are unacceptable.
I don't have a one size fits all solution, and I don't believe any such solution can possibly be just in every circumstance.
How about a one size fits one solution?
Lucy Letby was found guilty of murdering seven infants. Would you send her to prison?
i prefer asking them nicely to please stop. i also think exile is fine, but we should try shunning first.
How far do you take this philosophy? Do you feel people who sexually abuse children should stay free?
I don't see how locking someone in a cage benefits anymore.
Yeh, fuck that. I'm a survivor of CSA, people who do that deserve life in prison at the very least.