Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality

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Focus: Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality

Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality::Tesla Inc is set to defend itself for the first time at trial against allegations that failure of its Autopilot driver assistant feature led to death, in what will likely be a major test of Chief Executive Elon Musk's assertions about the technology.

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You did in fact just say that by saying that I was making up the fact that these systems have saved lives. Moving the goalposts to "you can't trust your life to it" doesn't make your original argument anymore accurate nor does it reference anything in dispute. Nobody said you should trust your life to cruise control.

Nobody did indeed say you should trust your life to cruise control.

But Tesla did claim you could trust your life to autopilot because "the car basically drives itself", which it obviously doesn't.

Tesla didn't claim that. Musk claimed their early FSD "basically drove itself" in what appears to have been a staged demonstration. This accident and lawsuit are about Autopilot, which is a completely different system.

There is no doubt that one day these systems will be so good that they will make transportation much safer. But there is no data that shows that we're already there.

Actually there is some doubt about that. Completely irrelevant to the present either way though.

You mean you've done zero research on the topic before injecting your opinions, so you simply haven't seen any data?

https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/accident-rate-for-tesla-80-lower-than-us-average-with-fsd/

New data released in its Impact Report show that Tesla vehicles with Autopilot engaged (mostly highway miles) had just 0.18 accidents per million miles driven, compared to the US vehicle average of 1.53 accidents per million miles.

https://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/3219570/The-Potential-Benefits-of-LKAS-in-Australia-MUARC-Report-365.pdf

A statistically significant 16% reduction in the risk of involvement in all casualty crashes of these types and a 22% reduction estimated for fatal and serious injury crashes was associated with LKA fitment to Australian light vehicle was estimated.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27624313/

The analysis showed a positive effect of the LDW/LKA systems in reducing lane departure crashes. The LDW/LKA systems were estimated to reduce head-on and single-vehicle injury crashes on Swedish roads with speed limits between 70 and 120 km/h and with dry or wet road surfaces (i.e., not covered by ice or snow) by 53% with a lower limit of 11% (95% confidence interval [CI]). This reduction corresponded to a reduction of 30% with a lower limit of 6% (95% CI) for all head-on and single-vehicle driver injury crashes (including all speed limits and all road surface conditions).

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/car-insurance/vehicle-safety-features-accidents/

ADAS functionalities can change the driving experience. According to research by LexisNexis Risk Solutions, ADAS vehicles showed a 27% reduction in bodily injury claim frequency and a 19% reduction in property damage frequency.

We're not talking about ADAS in general, we're talking about what Tesla is selling.

What Tesla is selling was covered in the first link. If you disagree, either provide proof to the contrary or quit "making things up."

That first link is Tesla advertisement, not independently acquired data. It's worthless.

I thought you were all about sourced information though. Where's your evidence that it's inaccurate?

What is the evidence that is it accurate? Is there any reason to trust Tesla's advertisements?

Ah, you have no evidence to back your argument up so you're just going to dig your heels in and quite hypocritically make unfounded claims. Got it.

Autopilot has been around for nearly a decade now but "it doesn't work" and you're the only person on the planet to figure it out in all that time, which is why you can't provide any proof. I'll bet you acquired this super secret knowledge without ever setting foot inside a Tesla too, right?

You're the one making unfounded claims. Tesla advertisements are not data.

So prove it or stop making things up. Show us data proving that Teslas crash at the same rate as all those vehicles without ADAS systems. Should be easy for someone so confident in their (thus far) completely unfounded and unsourced opinion. You haven't been able to provide a single shred of evidence backing your claim. Why is that? Where is the independent verification for your claim since that's something important to you?

Seeing cars pile up on the San Francisco tunnel due to Tesla's phantom breaking crap is good enough reason.

Yet you have failed to provide a single drop of evidence to support the disinformation you're spewing.

Lol so when you rear-end someone, it's the fault of the person in front? Not sure where you learned how to drive, but they failed you.

The phantom braking is an issue, but again that's another example of the driver failing to control their vehicle. Like all other systems, Autopilot warns you multiple times when it's going to disengage.

Funny you claim I've failed to provide a single drop of evidence when I've posted numerous links. You're, what, ten comments in now, having demanded evidence numerous times, yet have failed to provide even a single link to back any of your made-up claims. That's pretty telling and a bit embarrassing if you ask me.

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Lol the only relevant link is the first one, which comes from Teslas cherry picked and thoroughly disproven data set.

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