Instance blocking should replace defederation

HerbalGamer@lemm.ee to Chat@beehaw.org – 52 points –

Think about it; instead of those in charge or the instances deciding who they don't want to be federated with and thus restricting content for the users, it would be better if users were able to block entire instances instead.

We'd be able to curate our own browsing experience so much better without admin/mod drama influencing the rest of us.

Edit: Alright so maybe not exactly replace defederation, but it should still be an option available to us, and in general should become the default action before defederation IMHO.

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I have zero interest in spending that much time wading through crap just so I can have the personal decision to block it.

I have zero interest in spending that much time wading through crap

I have zero interest in keeping track of several accounts across several instances because someone upstairs doesn't like something posted on one of them.

Make your own instance then. As long as you're using a service someone else provides for you (free of charge at that), you have to play by their rules.

If making your own instance were something common for normal users, then I expect the federation would have to face thousands of single-user instances made by random people without ever being sure which ones are safe and which ones are just bots/spam/illegal-stuff.

A lot of instances would (understandably) want to disconnect from the fediverse if that were a common thing.... or at the very least they would use allowlists for federation instead of blocklists (in fact, some already do). So it would just result in more fragmentation, not less.

This means the process for your instance to initiate federation with all other ones would likely become more complex/inefficient than directly creating one separate user account in each of the instances you want to visit (if it isn't already).

I feel the issue is in the design of how the fediverse places so much responsibility in each individual instance... instances shouldn't be required to mirror third party content just so people can access it. It should be possible for people to simply connect to third party websites if they want to (with their home instance only acting as a sort of identity provider, like OpenID), without the home instance having to proxy/host that content if they don't approve of it.

And can you see how that could end up with a) all users shouting into their own personal void or b) a few big instances filled with complacent users mindlessly consuming what the algorithm feeds them?

Using an app with account switching helps and isn't that difficult. Also I think you fundamentally don't understand the fediverse and maybe should find an alternative if you're unwilling to make your own instance. There's plenty of fixes for your issues and signing up and trying out different instances isn't difficult. I also find it a little bit suspicious to post this to a more heavily moderated fine tuned instance as well and seems borderline like you're stirring the pot to cause drama because we specifically fly in the face of what you're after here.

I mean, federating with an instance doesn't necessarily mean you NEED to have it added to the default feeds.

It could theoretically be done in such a way that it only shows content from the communities you are subscribed to, and never show content from that instance in general feeds, for example.

Or it could even be done in such a way that instance blocking is enabled by default for every user, and each user has to opt in to see content from other instances outside of maybe a selected curated few that might be allowed by default.