America's nonreligious are a growing, diverse phenomenon. They really don't like organized religion

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Mike Dulak grew up Catholic in Southern California, but by his teen years, he began skipping Mass and driving straight to the shore to play guitar, watch the waves and enjoy the beauty of the morning. “And it felt more spiritual than any time I set foot in a church,” he recalled.

Nothing has changed that view in the ensuing decades.

“Most religions are there to control people and get money from them,” said Dulak, now 76, of Rocheport, Missouri. He also cited sex abuse scandals in Catholic and Southern Baptist churches. “I can’t buy into that,” he said.

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Not minding your own business is pretty much why Europeans settled North America...

The Pilgrims love to say they escaped persecution, but really they were far right extremists who were all pissed off most of Europe wouldn't follow their strict rules.

So they came to America and started pumping out as many kids as possible. With the goal to become the majority so they could force everyone to follow their rules.

We're worse off because there's no more "empty" land to send them all too. If we ever colonize another planet, it's 100% going to be extremists overwhelmingly signing up to go first. Until then, we're stuck with them.

None of my family were pilgrims. I don't think you can just ignore the tens of millions of immigrants from Europe who weren't pilgrims

I think their point is that the pilgrims set the cultural precedents for what would later become America, to which later immigrants would be beholden.

I don't know how true that is, but I think "protestant work ethic" is at least one example of that sort of thing.

I think they can make their own point and there response was much different than what you just said

I think you're a dumb removed that made a completely worthless point about your family not being pilgrims. How bout that

Would they have came here if the pilgrims didn't first?

Like, not just "would they have wanted to" but would the Native population have repopulated the shoreline by then and repelled any settlers like they did the vikings?

The pilgrims were successful at gaining a foothold because they showed up in a place and time the local population had mostly just died off from sickness and the survivors initially helped the pilgrims.

50 years later, even 20 or 10 years later and it would be a different story.

The Pilgrims didn't come here first (of the Europeans). They were beaten by multiple different European groups.

Like, not just “would they have wanted to” but would the Native population have repopulated the shoreline by then and repelled any settlers like they did the vikings?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the French traders that came before or the Spanish pushing upwards from the entire continent they had control over?

The pilgrims were successful at gaining a foothold because they showed up in a place and time the local population had mostly just died off from sickness and the survivors initially helped the pilgrims.

Not relevant to your argument. Also I am fairly confident you are mixing up the Pilgrims and the Purtains. But hey facts don't matter anymore so believe whatever you want.

When you make comments like that, people stop trying to help you...

Although I've noticed a trend where people like you assume they "win" when the other person gives up helping you. Just a heads up that's not what it means.