Thousands of Jewish Americans and Allies Demand Cease-Fire in Gaza

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Thousands of Jewish Americans and Allies Demand Cease-Fire in Gaza
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wait, aren't you doing the same thing, considering the Jewish power party were a bunch of anti-arab terrorists before they got voted into office?

I'm not supporting the Israeli government, I'm supporting Israelis right to live in Peace. Prior to last week, I was one of that governments vocal critics. Now, like so many around the world, we can see the existential threat against the people of that country and I fully support the elimination of Hamas.

Once that's done, and while it's happening I can still champion the exiting of the West Bank and the promotion of a two state solution.

Hamas needs to be removed for Palestinians to have Peace. Their purpose as clearly laid out in their founding Charter is the destruction of the Jewish people, which means the destruction of the state of Israel which makes it pretty difficult to get a Peace deal in place.

so it's fine for apartheid Israel to run an open air prison and support Hamas to weaken the PA's push towards a 2-state solution for YEARS, but the second it backfires and there are Israeli deaths, then you need to take sides because suddenly the side with power actually experienced the reality of the ethnic conflict they have been pushing

The wall was installed after the last round of terrorism, cutting it by 90+%.

Hamas is responsible for the isolation. They go, the isolation can be lifted.

Israel has the right to defend itself, how they do that I can question. Now that their enemies have started a war, I'm adjusting my attitude to suit.

Really easy way to save Palestinian lives? Hand over the hostages.

do you really think that handing over the hostages will not have the IDF kill a fuck ton of Palestinians?

Yes. History shows us that they will continue to bomb until they get their people back.

nah, history shows that they will keep bombing Gaza until the imaginary blood price has been paid.

You clearly don't understand the history of the region. Israel has given back the Golan to the Lebanese, the Sinai to the Egyptians and Gaza to the Palestinians.

If you leave them alone, they'll leave you alone. If you fuck with them, they've shown they will grind your bones into dust indistinguishable from the rubble of the buildings you're hiding your missiles in.

That's what history tells us. Hamas is about to get a history lesson.

your not very good with history are you?

Golan, considered Syrian under Israeli occupation by everyone but the USA (and that only during trumps presidency)

Sinai, forced peaceful withdrawal by American and Various European nations to open up the Suez

Gaza, an open air concentration camp

Are you trying to claim Israel hasn't given back lands they captured while being attacked in the Golan and Sinai?

Just want to be clear about this.

so, again: Golan: under Israeli occupation right now, this very second, as i type this comment.

Sinai: Israel was forced to give this land back by an international coalition that threatened to send their own military to do it instead, this was the solution to the Suez Crisis and ironically one of the few things the USA and the Soviets actually did together, thwarting the French and British neocolonial aims for Africa.

Now aside from that, you seem to have a different definition of "being attacked", you see I don't view the side that strikes first as "being attacked" but rather "attacking", I know this is a common myth spread by American conservative groups and think tanks like PraugerU, but it's just factually incorrect, just like your assertion about Golan.

So you're admitting to redefining terms based on how they benefit you. That you're trying to position Israel being attacked by five different countries at the same time as if Israel's the aggressor really puts a point on your anti-semitism. Israel didn't throw the first punch there, or in the yk war. The record is clear on those fronts.

Israel gave backland in the Golan. They've maintained a position there for their defense which has proven to be necessary and valuable over the past 75 years. That doesn't negate the fact that they gave backland in the Golan. Egypt lost the war. Israel held the land and gave it back. That proves they will give back land in order to move the peace process forward. Your blind Jew hate makes you unable to admit this reality.

You're really working hard to spin facts in an anti-semitic way. You've admitted that you will redefine reality to suit your purposes and you've demonstrated that you have no issues doing it. Different definitions, alternative facts, it's all just lies dude.

All we have here is you lying and spreading propaganda. At least we have you're admitting to it though.

my god, Israel started the 6-day war, this is a fact, the fucking Israeli government even said it did!

and Israel returned Golan so hard Trump formerly had the US recognize it as Israeli territory, and just like the west bank the Israeli supreme court literally confirmed that it is under belligerent occupation.

You are literally repeating American Conservative propaganda not even Israel agrees with!

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