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ACAB, especially that bastard relative of yours.

The capitalist state and it's forces in the form of Police and Military primarily exist to protect the private property of the rich. All other functions are secondary.

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Serious question, how do you suggest we enforce laws without police?

The way I understand ACAB is not to remove all cops, but reform the system fundamentally. It's a flawed system encouraging bad behavior and silence.

If the goal isn't to remove "all cops", isn't it pretty counterproductive that the first two words in ACAB are "all cops"?

You know, I hadn't thought about it, but I guess being against police brutality must mean I think there shouldn't be any law enforcement at all. Cause I certainly can't imagine a world where there are police who uphold the law but don't beat the shit out of people and kill them indiscriminately.

Your question is absurd. Pointing out that cops beat the shit out of people and kill them indiscriminately in no way presupposes that there should be no cops.

Well, if ACAB, then so are the ones that simply uphold the law without resorting to brutality. It's not SCAB after all. So if that's the idea, asking for a alternative solution to law enforcement does not seem that absurd to me.

ACAB is a critique of the policing system as a whole, not individuals.

Good individuals enforcing a bad system are still as bad as the systems they enforce.

Law enforcement should truly be built around the idea of protecting and serving the greater public, but at this time it's really just legalized violence controlled by the rich, like a hit squad.

The cops are not inherently bad, it's just the system currently encourages and supports bad ones while driving away good ones. Change the system, cops get less bad.

Defunding or otherwise reducing the number of police is just a temporary harm reduction measure, since in a lot of places things are actively worse WITH police (as they stand now) than they would be WITHOUT police. That's not to say things would be great if we permanently abolish police. It's just a choice between two evils and, crazy as it is, actual criminals are the lesser evil in many cases.

Ideally, we would have police, but an entirely different set of police with an entirely different structure supporting them.

For example, make "protect and serve" a job requirement instead of a slogan, end qualified immunity, get rid of grand juries for police, etc

Nobody is advocating for zero police. It'd be better to move the police budget to more social programs to try and help people so they're not pushed into a life of crime. An ounce of prevention is worth of a pound of the cure.

It's perfectly possible to create a law enforcement arm of government that's actually concerned with protecting vulnerable citizens, but that's not what the institution of policing actually focuses on.

To suggest that we can't have law enforcement without propping up a toxic system of professional predators is exactly the presumption they want you to make in order to preserve their jobs. We don't need to capitulate to a lawless fraternity to enforce our laws, we can replace it with something that isn't built on principles of oppression.

That said, their main job at the moment is to protect hoarders of wealth from the social consequences of wealth hoarding. Personally, I don't see that as necessary.

I would suggest a citizens militia made up of local residents, mostly tasked with keeping their community orderly. Not armed with guns but with Batons and Tasers for diffusing situations and self defence.

Serious deescalation and psychological training and only special units being allowed to bear arms which would only be used reactively.

ofc this would only work in a society which has alleviated social inequalities

In Germany we have something called "Ordnungsamt" (lit. meaning: Orderdepartment) imo smth like that should take over most tasks of current police and current police (in the way they are equipped) being reduced by a lot and used more rarely

So it'd still be their work? Wouldn't you get the same form of power abuse even then?

A citizens militia could be a democratic instituion and be integrated in a form of council socialist democracy

And who would do it? Would the people be forced to do it or would those that want to become part of the militia be able to apply?