I really don't understand the dog pile this game has gotten.
It's similar to the situation Cyberpunk 2077 faced. When expectations are set extremely high, nothing can meet them, and Starfield fell far short of the immense hype it generated. And frankly, the mistakes Starfield made are the same issues people have been criticizing Bethesda for since Fallout 3, and even earlier with Oblivion, depending on who you ask. Combined with Fallout 76's disastrous PR and release, this has left many people frustrated with Bethesda. Consequently, there's a strong wave of negativity surrounding the game.
For what it's worth, I'm a big fan of Bethesda's formula, and I genuinely enjoyed Starfield. However, I'm not surprised by the negative reactions. In fact, I'm somewhat glad that people are expressing their disappointment because Bethesda has a unique style, and I don't want to see them stay stuck in this creative rut. If they finally genuinely listen to the complaints, there are a lot of valuable suggestions they could benefit from.
This will sound weird, but I believe these complaints stem from a place of love for Bethesda's games. People know that Bethesda is capable of so much more, and that's why they are so passionate. Other game companies don't inspire this level of passion. Hence why I feel it is reminiscent of the negativity that surrounded Cyberpunk 2077. Both games were genuinely good, but they felt generic, safe, and they were overhyped and well below the potential of their respective developers.
The negativity doesn't make it a bad game, it really is a lot of fun. But it is warrented all the same.
P.S.
I agree that some of the story lines in Starfield were fantastic, especially the faction quest lines.
Edit:
Someone replied to this and then deleted it saying something to the effect of, "Cyberpunk's biggest issue is that it tried to run on old consoles, while Starfield's biggest issue is that it feels old and outdated".
Which in a lot of ways is very true. In adding my 2 cents regarding the "complaint dog pile" on Starfield, I only intended to compare the two games hype and lack of quality compared to what fans expect from their respective publishers as a way to explain why Starfield (and Cyberpunk) got more vocal hate than worse games.
I realize that my comment makes it sound like I'm saying both games have similar design issues, which I do not believe to be the case. Fwiw, I think Cyberpunk was a much more enjoyable and polished game than Starfield.
Ehhh I’m not sure cyberpunk is a great example in this regard. It was truly busted at launch. Sony forced CDPR to pull the game from PS4 listings, which is incredibly rare in general and completely unheard of for a AAA release. Not even NMS or Anthem got that treatment.
So was Witcher 3 at launch, but that doesn't stop all the people with goldfish memory from sucking its dick either.
Cyberpunk's launch shouldn't even have been that much of a surprise. People set their expectations for Cyberpunk's launch based on Witcher 3 after it had years of post-launch work put into it, not based on how Witcher 3 launched.
No need for the homophobic description but that aside, I did play W3 at launch and while it definitely had serious issues, cyberpunk is truly a benchmark in disastrous launches.
There's nothing inherently gay about sucking dick. And yeah, Witcher 3 was definitely buggy on launch, particularly for consoles what with the crashing, and while it was marginally more stable on PC (sounds familiar, right?), there was a massive controversy about them silently downgrading PC graphics between the trailers and launch.
That’s not the problem. You are describing it as a bad thing. Are you trying to say that people “sucking the Witcher 3’s dick ” are doing a good thing? Of course not. Which is why people tell guys “suck my dick” as an insult. It’s almost exclusively men saying it to men. You can’t possibly argue it’s anything less than a pejorative statement.
It’s a homophobic and/or sexist insult. Plain and simple. A cursory google search would show you that.
It's normally a desirable thing being done to an undeserving party, which is exactly the colloquial use of the metaphor and why it's used in a negative context. I don't have a problem with sucking dick, personally.
It’s not about you that’s the entire point. It’s about how the phrase is used socially. People call other people “retarded” and don’t “mean anything by it” but I think most people agree it’s just not ok to say because of the broader issue. You clearly are not a stupid person. I know you know what I am talking about. Stop trying to win an online argument and think about the people around you for just a second.
Honestly, I think it's a bigger problem to be stigmatising oral sex like this. But you're entitled to your opinion, and no hard feelings.
EDIT: I should add that an unrelated metaphor, saying something/someone "sucks dick", does apply to your argument, and I would agree that it's disparaging. Perhaps you're confusing your fellatio metaphors.
They only pulled the game off their stores because people were asking for refunds en masse, otherwise they would've happilly kept selling it like other platforms.
Yes I know, it is indicative of how big the problem was. Even NMS and Anthem didn’t trigger that.
It's similar to the situation Cyberpunk 2077 faced. When expectations are set extremely high, nothing can meet them, and Starfield fell far short of the immense hype it generated. And frankly, the mistakes Starfield made are the same issues people have been criticizing Bethesda for since Fallout 3, and even earlier with Oblivion, depending on who you ask. Combined with Fallout 76's disastrous PR and release, this has left many people frustrated with Bethesda. Consequently, there's a strong wave of negativity surrounding the game.
For what it's worth, I'm a big fan of Bethesda's formula, and I genuinely enjoyed Starfield. However, I'm not surprised by the negative reactions. In fact, I'm somewhat glad that people are expressing their disappointment because Bethesda has a unique style, and I don't want to see them stay stuck in this creative rut. If they finally genuinely listen to the complaints, there are a lot of valuable suggestions they could benefit from.
This will sound weird, but I believe these complaints stem from a place of love for Bethesda's games. People know that Bethesda is capable of so much more, and that's why they are so passionate. Other game companies don't inspire this level of passion. Hence why I feel it is reminiscent of the negativity that surrounded Cyberpunk 2077. Both games were genuinely good, but they felt generic, safe, and they were overhyped and well below the potential of their respective developers.
The negativity doesn't make it a bad game, it really is a lot of fun. But it is warrented all the same.
P.S. I agree that some of the story lines in Starfield were fantastic, especially the faction quest lines.
Edit: Someone replied to this and then deleted it saying something to the effect of, "Cyberpunk's biggest issue is that it tried to run on old consoles, while Starfield's biggest issue is that it feels old and outdated".
Which in a lot of ways is very true. In adding my 2 cents regarding the "complaint dog pile" on Starfield, I only intended to compare the two games hype and lack of quality compared to what fans expect from their respective publishers as a way to explain why Starfield (and Cyberpunk) got more vocal hate than worse games.
I realize that my comment makes it sound like I'm saying both games have similar design issues, which I do not believe to be the case. Fwiw, I think Cyberpunk was a much more enjoyable and polished game than Starfield.
Ehhh I’m not sure cyberpunk is a great example in this regard. It was truly busted at launch. Sony forced CDPR to pull the game from PS4 listings, which is incredibly rare in general and completely unheard of for a AAA release. Not even NMS or Anthem got that treatment.
So was Witcher 3 at launch, but that doesn't stop all the people with goldfish memory from sucking its dick either.
Cyberpunk's launch shouldn't even have been that much of a surprise. People set their expectations for Cyberpunk's launch based on Witcher 3 after it had years of post-launch work put into it, not based on how Witcher 3 launched.
No need for the homophobic description but that aside, I did play W3 at launch and while it definitely had serious issues, cyberpunk is truly a benchmark in disastrous launches.
There's nothing inherently gay about sucking dick. And yeah, Witcher 3 was definitely buggy on launch, particularly for consoles what with the crashing, and while it was marginally more stable on PC (sounds familiar, right?), there was a massive controversy about them silently downgrading PC graphics between the trailers and launch.
That’s not the problem. You are describing it as a bad thing. Are you trying to say that people “sucking the Witcher 3’s dick ” are doing a good thing? Of course not. Which is why people tell guys “suck my dick” as an insult. It’s almost exclusively men saying it to men. You can’t possibly argue it’s anything less than a pejorative statement.
It’s a homophobic and/or sexist insult. Plain and simple. A cursory google search would show you that.
It's normally a desirable thing being done to an undeserving party, which is exactly the colloquial use of the metaphor and why it's used in a negative context. I don't have a problem with sucking dick, personally.
It’s not about you that’s the entire point. It’s about how the phrase is used socially. People call other people “retarded” and don’t “mean anything by it” but I think most people agree it’s just not ok to say because of the broader issue. You clearly are not a stupid person. I know you know what I am talking about. Stop trying to win an online argument and think about the people around you for just a second.
Honestly, I think it's a bigger problem to be stigmatising oral sex like this. But you're entitled to your opinion, and no hard feelings.
EDIT: I should add that an unrelated metaphor, saying something/someone "sucks dick", does apply to your argument, and I would agree that it's disparaging. Perhaps you're confusing your fellatio metaphors.
They only pulled the game off their stores because people were asking for refunds en masse, otherwise they would've happilly kept selling it like other platforms.
Yes I know, it is indicative of how big the problem was. Even NMS and Anthem didn’t trigger that.