The real deranged take is to say that people like Biden will get Trump elected, when Biden is literally the only contender. Your solution? Vote for a non-contender who won’t even break a million votes.
Biden and Trump are the weakest candidates we've seen in decades, if there is any time for a third party or independent to win its now. RFK reaching 20% is clear and obvious evidence of this.
Your plan to take advantage of this? Vote for genocide Joe to ensure the wealthy maintain control the political system.
In what ways is the constitution and the 2025 Plan comparable? I want examples, but I know you won't do that because you're just an edgelord who doesn't actually have anything intelligent to say. The 2025 Plan seeks to circumvent certain parts of the constitution, just so you know. Just like Stein is helping to weaken the position of the left, RFK is thankfully weakening the stance of the right. Trump would be in an even stronger position if he didn't have so much competition on the right. RFK could be a real spoiler for Trump, especially considering he's running as an independent and will appear alongside Trump on the ballot. Still no way RFK could win, though, which is why a vote for him would also be a vote wasted.
It was an actual path to fascism which is what you asked for. Stein is strengthening the position of the left, because the Democrats are not left. RFK pulling votes from the right is huge, and a big chance for an actual left party like the Greens to gain ground. RFK could actually win in my opinion because of how disliked the current duopoly is.
Stein is strengthening the left, because the Democrats are not left.
I don't agree because I feel a far-right Trump presidency would be much worse for the actual left than a centrist neolib Biden presidency. There's a lot riding on this; access to abortion, trans rights, environmental protections, restricting voter access, etc. I think that a Trump would probably even damage the left more than a miraculous Stein victory would help it.
a far-right Trump presidency would be much worse for the actual left than a centrist neolib Biden presidency.
Voting for a centrist neolib is the worst thing you can do for the left.
There’s a lot riding on this; access to abortion, trans rights, environmental protections, restricting voter access
Biden has been terrible on abortion by not getting roe v wade codified his whole career, terrible on environment just approved the willow pipeline, terrible on voting rights since hes a Dem and used undemocratic super delegates to win.
And how exactly is a centrist leader worse than a far-right leader? That makes no sense. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's like having the choice between being in an abusive relationship where they always tell you they'll do better next time or being with someone who actually wants to murder you, and you choose the murderer because you're tired of being manipulated. No one would fault you for being tired of that, but to say that the alternative is preferable is utterly absurd. Lay out for me why Trump would be better than Biden.
Trump is far worse on all those issues. Do you want your life to be merely bad, or completely awful? It's a shitty choice, but it does actually matter. Sometimes it might feel like the answer is "I don't care anymore," but I feel like you're being careless with regard to the people who's lives would be unmistakably worse under Trump than under Biden. Not even just here, but in Palestine, in Ukraine, in Armenia, in Tigray, in Rojava, etc.
And how exactly is a centrist leader worse than a far-right leader? That makes no sense.
Because you're ensuring wealthy people control the political system by voting for them. Wealthy people win whether Trump or Biden is elected.
So atleast you admit you're in an abusive relationship, next step is to leave.
Except you often can't simply just leave an abusive relationship. You can say you're leaving, but the dems will always be there as one of only two real options; there's no escape. Just like I thought, you were just making wild, spiteful assertions without even any justification to back them up. The centrists are worse than the far-right because they're both rich? And you expect to be taken seriously with logic like that? The right is even richer and openly hates you/actively works against you.
there’s no escape.
Holy shit, you are truly a battered spouse. You can leave, vote for anyone else.
Congrats, you've voted for someone else. That person didn't win and the old people are still in charge, genius. Literally going back to Lincoln times, it's always been a dem or a rep. That's what I mean by no escape and all you've done this whole time is say "Nuh-uh!" based on nothing at all. You've said nothing substantive this whole time and have yet to support a single statement. This is nothing to do with loyalty and everything to do with strategy. So far you've proudly declared you have no real strategy and no real basis for your beliefs. At best, you've tricked yourself into thinking you've escaped the system, but you're sitting right here in the same sinking boat with all of us. You can try and bail water, or you can complain that a better boat wouldn't need to be bailed. Grab a bucket or jump out.
That person didn’t win and the old people are still in charge, genius.
And your plan is to keep voting for them. you've already lost.
everything to do with strategy.
Yours failed.
So far you’ve proudly declared you have no real strategy
Vote for Greens to get atleast 5% for federal funding.
jump out.
Exactly.
There're those baseless assertions again. It's like you double down by making a new one every time I ask for sources, or even to merely explain your thinking. Just saying something doesn't make it true, especially not when said by you lol.
What strategy exactly? How exactly has it failed? I'd argue it's worked infinitely better than your suggestion because democrats have at least been president a bunch of times and prevented the right from having those opportunities. How many Green presidents (or even house reps) have we had again?What practical pattern or information do you get from looking at past presidents? Again, cite your sources or this is just as false and ill-conceived as everything else you've said. I can back up my statement that your strategy is worthless by pointing out that the Green Party is so fringe as to never have won a national election, or even have much awareness among voters. The Green Party would have to do at least 5 times better than it has anytime in the last several elections in order to qualify for federal funding. You're even more naive than I thought if you're banking on that. It's not gonna happen anytime soon, sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It's also genuinely laughable that you'd complain about democrats being beholden to moneyed interests and then suggesting the Green Party should get all of its money from the federal government, which it would also have to agree to in order to receive that money. Do you have a single consistent thought in your head?
I'm afraid your expectations for the US electoral system is much too high. This is the US we're talking about, remember? You think they'd let us have someone actually good? Bad or abjectly terrible are your options and always will be. You can say "I refuse to participate in this matter," but I don't want to hear any complaints when it turns out the worse one gets chosen for you anyway.
every time I ask for sources
I provided you an actual source for fascism. You are clearly emotionally incapable of leaving your abusive husband and that's really sad.
even to merely explain your thinking
You are a triggered lib that can't handle the reality of your votes. You vote for genocide, and I do not. I already explained that you need to support another party to oppose that.
What strategy exactly? How exactly has it failed?
Voting for Democrats. It failed to oppose the right, that is very clear. We have to move to another party, very obvious.
democrats have at least been president a bunch of times and prevented the right from having those opportunities.
And passed right wing economic policy. Nice job.
Again, cite your sources
You keep saying that but you don't know what it mean. You have to ask a question for that.
I can back up my statement that your strategy is worthless by pointing out that the Green Party is so fringe as to never have won a national election
They have won many local elections like you liberals claim to care about, and need support but you refuse to help. You instead spend time and effort opposing the obvious solution: vote for them.
You’re even more naive than I thought if you’re banking on that.
Banking on them winning the president in 24? You don't even listen, it's about building a party to oppose the Democrats that are fake left.
It’s also genuinely laughable that you’d complain about democrats being beholden to moneyed interests and then suggesting the Green Party should get all of its money from the federal government
Never said that, you're talking complete bullshit. I'm glad I triggered you this much :)
Unlike the Democrats, the Greens don't take bribes from moneyed interests like you know.
Do you have a single consistent thought in your head?
Yes, I have quite clearly said to vote for the Green party.
I’m afraid your expectations for the US electoral system is much too high. This is the US we’re talking about, remember? You think they’d let us have someone actually good? Bad or abjectly terrible are your options and always will be. You can say “I refuse to participate in this matter,” but I don’t want to hear any complaints when it turns out the worse one gets chosen for you anyway.
Voting for the Green party is the literal least you can do if you actually don't have any hope for the political system. Literally 10 minutes of your day, get over it.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp LMAO you set yourself up for that one
Biden and Trump are the weakest candidates we've seen in decades, if there is any time for a third party or independent to win its now. RFK reaching 20% is clear and obvious evidence of this.
Your plan to take advantage of this? Vote for genocide Joe to ensure the wealthy maintain control the political system.
In what ways is the constitution and the 2025 Plan comparable? I want examples, but I know you won't do that because you're just an edgelord who doesn't actually have anything intelligent to say. The 2025 Plan seeks to circumvent certain parts of the constitution, just so you know. Just like Stein is helping to weaken the position of the left, RFK is thankfully weakening the stance of the right. Trump would be in an even stronger position if he didn't have so much competition on the right. RFK could be a real spoiler for Trump, especially considering he's running as an independent and will appear alongside Trump on the ballot. Still no way RFK could win, though, which is why a vote for him would also be a vote wasted.
It was an actual path to fascism which is what you asked for. Stein is strengthening the position of the left, because the Democrats are not left. RFK pulling votes from the right is huge, and a big chance for an actual left party like the Greens to gain ground. RFK could actually win in my opinion because of how disliked the current duopoly is.
I don't agree because I feel a far-right Trump presidency would be much worse for the actual left than a centrist neolib Biden presidency. There's a lot riding on this; access to abortion, trans rights, environmental protections, restricting voter access, etc. I think that a Trump would probably even damage the left more than a miraculous Stein victory would help it.
Voting for a centrist neolib is the worst thing you can do for the left.
Biden has been terrible on abortion by not getting roe v wade codified his whole career, terrible on environment just approved the willow pipeline, terrible on voting rights since hes a Dem and used undemocratic super delegates to win.
And how exactly is a centrist leader worse than a far-right leader? That makes no sense. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's like having the choice between being in an abusive relationship where they always tell you they'll do better next time or being with someone who actually wants to murder you, and you choose the murderer because you're tired of being manipulated. No one would fault you for being tired of that, but to say that the alternative is preferable is utterly absurd. Lay out for me why Trump would be better than Biden.
Trump is far worse on all those issues. Do you want your life to be merely bad, or completely awful? It's a shitty choice, but it does actually matter. Sometimes it might feel like the answer is "I don't care anymore," but I feel like you're being careless with regard to the people who's lives would be unmistakably worse under Trump than under Biden. Not even just here, but in Palestine, in Ukraine, in Armenia, in Tigray, in Rojava, etc.
Because you're ensuring wealthy people control the political system by voting for them. Wealthy people win whether Trump or Biden is elected.
So atleast you admit you're in an abusive relationship, next step is to leave.
Except you often can't simply just leave an abusive relationship. You can say you're leaving, but the dems will always be there as one of only two real options; there's no escape. Just like I thought, you were just making wild, spiteful assertions without even any justification to back them up. The centrists are worse than the far-right because they're both rich? And you expect to be taken seriously with logic like that? The right is even richer and openly hates you/actively works against you.
Holy shit, you are truly a battered spouse. You can leave, vote for anyone else.
Congrats, you've voted for someone else. That person didn't win and the old people are still in charge, genius. Literally going back to Lincoln times, it's always been a dem or a rep. That's what I mean by no escape and all you've done this whole time is say "Nuh-uh!" based on nothing at all. You've said nothing substantive this whole time and have yet to support a single statement. This is nothing to do with loyalty and everything to do with strategy. So far you've proudly declared you have no real strategy and no real basis for your beliefs. At best, you've tricked yourself into thinking you've escaped the system, but you're sitting right here in the same sinking boat with all of us. You can try and bail water, or you can complain that a better boat wouldn't need to be bailed. Grab a bucket or jump out.
And your plan is to keep voting for them. you've already lost.
Yours failed.
Vote for Greens to get atleast 5% for federal funding.
Exactly.
There're those baseless assertions again. It's like you double down by making a new one every time I ask for sources, or even to merely explain your thinking. Just saying something doesn't make it true, especially not when said by you lol.
What strategy exactly? How exactly has it failed? I'd argue it's worked infinitely better than your suggestion because democrats have at least been president a bunch of times and prevented the right from having those opportunities. How many Green presidents (or even house reps) have we had again?What practical pattern or information do you get from looking at past presidents? Again, cite your sources or this is just as false and ill-conceived as everything else you've said. I can back up my statement that your strategy is worthless by pointing out that the Green Party is so fringe as to never have won a national election, or even have much awareness among voters. The Green Party would have to do at least 5 times better than it has anytime in the last several elections in order to qualify for federal funding. You're even more naive than I thought if you're banking on that. It's not gonna happen anytime soon, sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It's also genuinely laughable that you'd complain about democrats being beholden to moneyed interests and then suggesting the Green Party should get all of its money from the federal government, which it would also have to agree to in order to receive that money. Do you have a single consistent thought in your head?
I'm afraid your expectations for the US electoral system is much too high. This is the US we're talking about, remember? You think they'd let us have someone actually good? Bad or abjectly terrible are your options and always will be. You can say "I refuse to participate in this matter," but I don't want to hear any complaints when it turns out the worse one gets chosen for you anyway.
I provided you an actual source for fascism. You are clearly emotionally incapable of leaving your abusive husband and that's really sad.
You are a triggered lib that can't handle the reality of your votes. You vote for genocide, and I do not. I already explained that you need to support another party to oppose that.
Voting for Democrats. It failed to oppose the right, that is very clear. We have to move to another party, very obvious.
And passed right wing economic policy. Nice job.
You keep saying that but you don't know what it mean. You have to ask a question for that.
They have won many local elections like you liberals claim to care about, and need support but you refuse to help. You instead spend time and effort opposing the obvious solution: vote for them.
Banking on them winning the president in 24? You don't even listen, it's about building a party to oppose the Democrats that are fake left.
Never said that, you're talking complete bullshit. I'm glad I triggered you this much :)
Unlike the Democrats, the Greens don't take bribes from moneyed interests like you know.
Yes, I have quite clearly said to vote for the Green party.
Voting for the Green party is the literal least you can do if you actually don't have any hope for the political system. Literally 10 minutes of your day, get over it.