Sure, you have freedom of speech, but no, you don't have the right to use my megaphone to say stupid shit.
Which is kind of unfair tbh. It's the same issue with how Facebook and other social media is controlling exposure to influence politics. I pretty well loathe how some platforms are essentially the only avenue for their purpose, like YouTube.
It doesn't seem like people really consider the fallout of removing the opposition's voice either. If we can't hear the stupid people screaming, we're not gonna know how stupid they are.
Forcing people to host speech they don't want to is far more draconian than not doing so.
You'd probably be more than a little annoyed if I put a swastika sign on your front yard and then told you that you were infringing on my right to free speech when you went to go remove it.
Companies are not people and private homes are not platforms for mass communication.
I don't think the government views video game mod hosts as so fundamental to a healthy society that they require strong limitations on their own freedom of speech, but you're welcome to call up your representative and start a campaign for the ability to force Nexus to host Nazis if it's truly important to you.
I quit playing League of Legends when they made Groovy Zilean look like a crackhead because the CCP hates drug culture. Every form of media is training your kids.
Your "freeze peach" only has to do with your government. You keep pointing out corporations aren't people as if that had anything to do with this topic, but until you start paying taxes and owning land through Facebook, it's a non-sequitur.
I'm not claiming that the law governs this under free speech. I simply think that free speech is worthless if it's only in places that go ignored.
If a company is thousands of people, what is private about it? A thousand people can't keep your secrets. FFS, Facebook is overtly selling access to them. The only ownership of Facebook is through stocks which just means the rich get to decide and the poor don't.
People actually sell houses and shit on Facebook though. Not sure if that can be used as a reason to regulate them or not. For one, it's a pretty easy way to discriminate against minorities without directly implicating themselves.
I’m not claiming that the law governs this under free speech. I simply think that free speech is worthless if it’s only in places that go ignored.
So why are you forcing Nexus Mods to host this content? What does this have to do with "corporations aren't people"? Why even bring that comment up?
If a company is thousands of people, what is private about it?
This is just more non-sequiturs. First off, private in this context is privately owned. It doesn't matter how many people work for them, nor how "secret" a "secret" is if you tell it to everyone (which isn't a "secret" to begin with). Second off, Nexus Mod's work force, including community management, is thirteen people.
What you think your free speech should mean, and what you think your country should do with mass media/popular social media has no basis in this conversation.
Oh damn. I thought Nexus mods was so much bigger than that!
No matter how much stupid people scream about being silenced, we never fucking stop hearing them
If you don't hear them, how are you supposed to know they're stupid? Monitor your own filter list rather than letting Facebook decide what you see.
But Facebook is the one deciding I should see my conservative relatives bitch about being silenced. If I had my way I would never hear my uncle's take on whether trans women are women, an issue which he apparently holds so close to his heart that he can't go ten seconds without posting about it
You can, quite easily, unsub from your uncle so he doesn't show up in your feed. He'll still be your Facebook friend and won't even know you aren't seeing his drivel anymore. You can do this. Facebook doesn't need to be the arbiter of morality.
It's ok if you block them for you. It's not ok if Facebook blocks them for you without your input. It's especially not ok when they do that in mass to control the political landscape.
I very strongly believe that filters should not be imposed on people, but rather be privately curated.
It's also not okay if the president shoots people in broad daylight. Seems weird to complain about how they could potentially that when they ain't doing that
Nexus mods is doing that. Facebook is doing that. Reddit is doing that. They're all deciding which arguments you're allowed to see and which ones are strawman. You're all tribalistic and only see sides instead of methods.
Nexus mods might be doing that, but I think they're well within their rights to say "no abject homophobia." Reddit and Facebook are super not doing that, hence my constant seeing people whine about it even though it isn't happening
Facebook just paid Harvard 500 million dollars to silence people who were investigating how Facebook is doing harm by controlling the narrative with their analytics.
Google Link because I have no idea which journalists to trust anymore.
I know Reddit is doing it because they did it with me when I moderated a huge sub and tripped their analytics.
Everyone is trying to control everyone else because they think it makes them safer. The means they use cause harm. Censoring like this is wrong, whether it's their right or not. Don't use Nazi tactics to get rid of Nazis.
Reddit and Facebook are super not doing that
God DAMN how deep is your head buried in that sand?
I guess the sand is full of my conservative family members screaming incessantly about the things they're supposedly being silenced about
There are plenty platforms to host mods. You can even just set one up yourself. You don't have a right to be hosted on exactly the one you want.
I've never heard of other mod platforms aside from Nexus and Steam.
My only point is that people should have equal voice volume so that huge companies like YouTube aren't playing nanny with the population.
How about you make a popular website and then we can decide how valid your opinion that websites should be a soapbox for vocal minorities really is.
I can think of a few minorities you wouldn't speak of the same way.
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Suit yourself. You won't beat the big money people at their own game with the same tactics and less resources. You're gonna have to figure out how communications outlets need to be regulated or they'll be used against all of us to control image.
Oh yeah, the big money people over at nexus mods are surely going to sway geopolitics climates for sure.
Don't worry bud, mom will bring some nuggets down to the basement soon and so her lil neckbeard won't be so cranky anymore. 🤡
Reasons matter.
So much 'both sides' nonsense disappears, when you figure out reasons come first.
Nexus blocking bigotry is good, because fuck bigotry. Facebook promoting bigotry is bad, because... fuck bigotry. The fact both actions involve the same mechanism does not matter. If you can't comprehend a judgement of intent and outcomes, and have to grapple with events in terms of blind actions devoid of context, ask one of your fellow space aliens to explain how humans work.
As they have every right to do.
Sure, you have freedom of speech, but no, you don't have the right to use my megaphone to say stupid shit.
Which is kind of unfair tbh. It's the same issue with how Facebook and other social media is controlling exposure to influence politics. I pretty well loathe how some platforms are essentially the only avenue for their purpose, like YouTube.
It doesn't seem like people really consider the fallout of removing the opposition's voice either. If we can't hear the stupid people screaming, we're not gonna know how stupid they are.
Forcing people to host speech they don't want to is far more draconian than not doing so.
You'd probably be more than a little annoyed if I put a swastika sign on your front yard and then told you that you were infringing on my right to free speech when you went to go remove it.
Companies are not people and private homes are not platforms for mass communication.
I don't think the government views video game mod hosts as so fundamental to a healthy society that they require strong limitations on their own freedom of speech, but you're welcome to call up your representative and start a campaign for the ability to force Nexus to host Nazis if it's truly important to you.
I quit playing League of Legends when they made Groovy Zilean look like a crackhead because the CCP hates drug culture. Every form of media is training your kids.
Your "freeze peach" only has to do with your government. You keep pointing out corporations aren't people as if that had anything to do with this topic, but until you start paying taxes and owning land through Facebook, it's a non-sequitur.
I'm not claiming that the law governs this under free speech. I simply think that free speech is worthless if it's only in places that go ignored.
If a company is thousands of people, what is private about it? A thousand people can't keep your secrets. FFS, Facebook is overtly selling access to them. The only ownership of Facebook is through stocks which just means the rich get to decide and the poor don't.
People actually sell houses and shit on Facebook though. Not sure if that can be used as a reason to regulate them or not. For one, it's a pretty easy way to discriminate against minorities without directly implicating themselves.
So why are you forcing Nexus Mods to host this content? What does this have to do with "corporations aren't people"? Why even bring that comment up?
This is just more non-sequiturs. First off, private in this context is privately owned. It doesn't matter how many people work for them, nor how "secret" a "secret" is if you tell it to everyone (which isn't a "secret" to begin with). Second off, Nexus Mod's work force, including community management, is thirteen people.
What you think your free speech should mean, and what you think your country should do with mass media/popular social media has no basis in this conversation.
Oh damn. I thought Nexus mods was so much bigger than that!
No matter how much stupid people scream about being silenced, we never fucking stop hearing them
If you don't hear them, how are you supposed to know they're stupid? Monitor your own filter list rather than letting Facebook decide what you see.
But Facebook is the one deciding I should see my conservative relatives bitch about being silenced. If I had my way I would never hear my uncle's take on whether trans women are women, an issue which he apparently holds so close to his heart that he can't go ten seconds without posting about it
You can, quite easily, unsub from your uncle so he doesn't show up in your feed. He'll still be your Facebook friend and won't even know you aren't seeing his drivel anymore. You can do this. Facebook doesn't need to be the arbiter of morality.
It's ok if you block them for you. It's not ok if Facebook blocks them for you without your input. It's especially not ok when they do that in mass to control the political landscape.
I very strongly believe that filters should not be imposed on people, but rather be privately curated.
It's also not okay if the president shoots people in broad daylight. Seems weird to complain about how they could potentially that when they ain't doing that
Nexus mods is doing that. Facebook is doing that. Reddit is doing that. They're all deciding which arguments you're allowed to see and which ones are strawman. You're all tribalistic and only see sides instead of methods.
Nexus mods might be doing that, but I think they're well within their rights to say "no abject homophobia." Reddit and Facebook are super not doing that, hence my constant seeing people whine about it even though it isn't happening
Facebook just paid Harvard 500 million dollars to silence people who were investigating how Facebook is doing harm by controlling the narrative with their analytics.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Harvard+500m+donation+Facebook&oq=Harvard+500m+donation+Facebook&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg90gEIOTY5OWowajeoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Google Link because I have no idea which journalists to trust anymore.
I know Reddit is doing it because they did it with me when I moderated a huge sub and tripped their analytics.
Everyone is trying to control everyone else because they think it makes them safer. The means they use cause harm. Censoring like this is wrong, whether it's their right or not. Don't use Nazi tactics to get rid of Nazis.
God DAMN how deep is your head buried in that sand?
I guess the sand is full of my conservative family members screaming incessantly about the things they're supposedly being silenced about
There are plenty platforms to host mods. You can even just set one up yourself. You don't have a right to be hosted on exactly the one you want.
I've never heard of other mod platforms aside from Nexus and Steam.
My only point is that people should have equal voice volume so that huge companies like YouTube aren't playing nanny with the population.
How about you make a popular website and then we can decide how valid your opinion that websites should be a soapbox for vocal minorities really is.
I can think of a few minorities you wouldn't speak of the same way.
🤡
Suit yourself. You won't beat the big money people at their own game with the same tactics and less resources. You're gonna have to figure out how communications outlets need to be regulated or they'll be used against all of us to control image.
Oh yeah, the big money people over at nexus mods are surely going to sway geopolitics climates for sure.
Don't worry bud, mom will bring some nuggets down to the basement soon and so her lil neckbeard won't be so cranky anymore. 🤡
Reasons matter.
So much 'both sides' nonsense disappears, when you figure out reasons come first.
Nexus blocking bigotry is good, because fuck bigotry. Facebook promoting bigotry is bad, because... fuck bigotry. The fact both actions involve the same mechanism does not matter. If you can't comprehend a judgement of intent and outcomes, and have to grapple with events in terms of blind actions devoid of context, ask one of your fellow space aliens to explain how humans work.