According to them ~58% of anti-cheat games work. There's been a large uptick of anti-cheat support since the Steam Deck.
According to ProtonDB, 86% of the top 1000 games on Steam function (Silver+ rating). It's a pretty safe bet that the most of the missing 14% is probably due to anti-cheat.
Yeah mostly just talking shit. I love my steam deck.
Thanks for this. The one multiplayer game I've been consistently playing apparently got Linux anti cheat support enabled 2 months ago.
I think installing Linux on my gaming/work PC will be a winter holiday project for me š.
Now to pick a distro.
Is it Hell Let Loose? I started playing it since they support Linux now, very well done Battlefield-like game. I haven't played much BF since 1942.
Yep, that's the one haha
Cool what about malware? /s (no really anticheat is malware)
Anticheat isn't malware. Malware has adverse effects on your system.
AC uses some techniques that some forms of malware also use (but far from all)
Malware defined as any software that does not benefit the user but wastes systems resources would fit here.
And that definition depends on how you define ābenefitting the userā. If someone has an online match ruined by a hacker, Iād argue that they would have benefitted from the game running some kind of anticheat.
Do we define user as the singular individual person? Or do we consider the user as a collective, and factor in the larger benefit to the masses? It could even be argued that the people running cheats are the ones running malware (specifically, malware that targets the other users in the match) and should therefore be treated the same way we treat people who use more traditional viruses and trojans at the detriment to others. The same way you wouldnāt want some virus-ridden machine connecting to your home network, (youād probably want everyone to at least be running a basic virus scanner and have common sense when browsing,) you would want everyone in the game running anticheat to ensure there is no malware.
Very few people would say that itās okay to waste othersā time and computer resources on a bitcoin miner trojanā¦ Most people would (correctly) determine that it is theft. But then when it comes to online games, the same people feel entitled to waste other peoplesā time and computer resources by ruining their matches.
If your security relies on software in the control of the end user you have a problem.
Thatās largely a corporate decision that is out of the hands of the programmers. Generally speaking, security specialists would agree with you. But running anticheat on the server costs server resources, which means you need more servers to accommodate the same number of players. Running it client-side is a cost cutting measure mandated by the corporate bean counters who did the math and concluded itād be cheaper for the company to spend the usersā computer resources instead.
While I agree that client-side security isnāt the best solution, itās certainly better than no solution. Itās the same argument people have against self-driving cars. The self-driving cars donāt need to be perfect; They just need to be better than the average driver. If they can reduce the number and severity of accidents that are currently happening without them, then they should be implemented. Even if the solution isnāt perfect. Because an imperfect solution is better than doing nothing at all.
You're right and it's a pragmatic approach to the problem. They only need broad technical effectiveness to change user behaviour.
I'd argue that it's not strictly cost cutting but cost transferring. The total client resources most likely exceed that which would be needed on servers.
I don't think that is a widely accepted holistic definition of malware. But even if, AC is not waisting resources. It's taking the resources it needs to perform its job.
Anticheat benefits the users by...reducing the number of cheaters in games. Big concept to wrap your head around, I know.
There are several forms of anticheat. The ones that just run when the game is running, is usually fine. However, there is the Riot anti cheat which just runs all the time and isn't uninstalled when Valorant is uninstalled. That is malware.
what about single player games? how does that anticheat benefit any user?
Are there single player games with anticheat?
I know that Resident Evil games come with Denuvo, for example.
DRM isn't anti cheat.
in the denuvo product page it is called anticheat by their creators
You've linked to their anti cheat which they also offer but it's not their main product. Funny that you missed that, given that you were already on their web site and https://irdeto.com/denuvo/ spells out "Anti-Piracy technology" in huge font:
being sincere I just searched for denuvo anticheat to see if it was called like that.
There are games with single player and multiplayer modes that come with anti cheat. I had some game a few months ago that was a Steam freebie (can't remember the name) whose anti cheat didn't install properly on Windows and it didn't allow me to launch regular single player, only mod mode.
I've been playing games that use EasyAntiCheat (Hunt Showdown and Chivalry 2) and they seem to work fine.
Cool what about games with anti-cheat
If you're not just being facetious, https://areweanticheatyet.com/ is a good source.
According to them ~58% of anti-cheat games work. There's been a large uptick of anti-cheat support since the Steam Deck.
According to ProtonDB, 86% of the top 1000 games on Steam function (Silver+ rating). It's a pretty safe bet that the most of the missing 14% is probably due to anti-cheat.
Yeah mostly just talking shit. I love my steam deck.
Thanks for this. The one multiplayer game I've been consistently playing apparently got Linux anti cheat support enabled 2 months ago.
I think installing Linux on my gaming/work PC will be a winter holiday project for me š.
Now to pick a distro.
Is it Hell Let Loose? I started playing it since they support Linux now, very well done Battlefield-like game. I haven't played much BF since 1942.
Yep, that's the one haha
Cool what about malware? /s (no really anticheat is malware)
Anticheat isn't malware. Malware has adverse effects on your system.
AC uses some techniques that some forms of malware also use (but far from all)
Malware defined as any software that does not benefit the user but wastes systems resources would fit here.
And that definition depends on how you define ābenefitting the userā. If someone has an online match ruined by a hacker, Iād argue that they would have benefitted from the game running some kind of anticheat.
Do we define user as the singular individual person? Or do we consider the user as a collective, and factor in the larger benefit to the masses? It could even be argued that the people running cheats are the ones running malware (specifically, malware that targets the other users in the match) and should therefore be treated the same way we treat people who use more traditional viruses and trojans at the detriment to others. The same way you wouldnāt want some virus-ridden machine connecting to your home network, (youād probably want everyone to at least be running a basic virus scanner and have common sense when browsing,) you would want everyone in the game running anticheat to ensure there is no malware.
Very few people would say that itās okay to waste othersā time and computer resources on a bitcoin miner trojanā¦ Most people would (correctly) determine that it is theft. But then when it comes to online games, the same people feel entitled to waste other peoplesā time and computer resources by ruining their matches.
If your security relies on software in the control of the end user you have a problem.
Thatās largely a corporate decision that is out of the hands of the programmers. Generally speaking, security specialists would agree with you. But running anticheat on the server costs server resources, which means you need more servers to accommodate the same number of players. Running it client-side is a cost cutting measure mandated by the corporate bean counters who did the math and concluded itād be cheaper for the company to spend the usersā computer resources instead.
While I agree that client-side security isnāt the best solution, itās certainly better than no solution. Itās the same argument people have against self-driving cars. The self-driving cars donāt need to be perfect; They just need to be better than the average driver. If they can reduce the number and severity of accidents that are currently happening without them, then they should be implemented. Even if the solution isnāt perfect. Because an imperfect solution is better than doing nothing at all.
You're right and it's a pragmatic approach to the problem. They only need broad technical effectiveness to change user behaviour.
I'd argue that it's not strictly cost cutting but cost transferring. The total client resources most likely exceed that which would be needed on servers.
I don't think that is a widely accepted holistic definition of malware. But even if, AC is not waisting resources. It's taking the resources it needs to perform its job.
Anticheat benefits the users by...reducing the number of cheaters in games. Big concept to wrap your head around, I know.
There are several forms of anticheat. The ones that just run when the game is running, is usually fine. However, there is the Riot anti cheat which just runs all the time and isn't uninstalled when Valorant is uninstalled. That is malware.
what about single player games? how does that anticheat benefit any user?
Are there single player games with anticheat?
I know that Resident Evil games come with Denuvo, for example.
DRM isn't anti cheat.
in the denuvo product page it is called anticheat by their creators
https://irdeto.com/denuvo/anti-cheat/
You've linked to their anti cheat which they also offer but it's not their main product. Funny that you missed that, given that you were already on their web site and https://irdeto.com/denuvo/ spells out "Anti-Piracy technology" in huge font:
being sincere I just searched for denuvo anticheat to see if it was called like that.
There are games with single player and multiplayer modes that come with anti cheat. I had some game a few months ago that was a Steam freebie (can't remember the name) whose anti cheat didn't install properly on Windows and it didn't allow me to launch regular single player, only mod mode.
I've been playing games that use EasyAntiCheat (Hunt Showdown and Chivalry 2) and they seem to work fine.