So you're plan is to try and tackle something that's written into the constitution.... that's your goal? Say it's nearly impossible to do everything else on that list which isn't written into our constitution...but guns... they're easier to fix...fucking hell you all are really naive.
So you’re plan is to try and tackle something that’s written into the constitution… that’s your goal?
You mean like slavery?
Are you equating slavery to owning firearms? You white privileged ivory tower types are hilarious.
Nope. I'm equating slavery to tackling something in the constitution and changing it. You know, the thing you just implied was not something that could be done. I'm sure you know that and are obfuscating.
Yea everyone basically agreed slavery was bad...we fought a fucking civil war over it...the majority of the USA is pro-gun. You will never radify the constitution to remove or nullify the 2nd. It's not going to ever happen.
If everyone agreed, why did we fight a civil war over it?
Are you suggesting we fight another civil war so you can repeal the 2nd amendment? You do realize who wins that one right?
You didn't answer my question. If everyone agreed, why was there a war over it?
I did answer it...you just didn't like the answer.
No you didn't. Either everyone agreed or a war was fought over it. It can't be both. You don't fight a war over something everyone agrees on.
So feel free to explain that contradiction. I doubt you will.
Because most of the ignorant south at the time didn't know shit about it being fought against slavery. Me and 100million + other firearm owners haven't killed anyone or used our firearms in anger..which harms 0 people... slavery harms a fuck load of people and you equating it to the 2nd is hilariously naive. Congress can't even get single payer healthcare past..yet you think we can ratify the constitution?
"Most" didn't? So some did? Then I guess not everyone agreed. So what you said was not true.
I didn't specify a plan one way or another. I just think it's crazy that the talking points you presented seem pretty clearly designed to just kick this issue down the road, cause at least that way you still get to have your guns.
And believe me, solving all those things you mentioned would be great. But why not also try and do something about the major gun issues at the same time too?
Those "talking points" would solve our firearm violence. We don't have a gun problem, we have a societal one. Random mass shootings are a new phenomenon...gang violence and drug violence are not. Solving these things with the list I posted, would curb our violence epidemic 100xs more than just another emotional gun law from people who don't understand guns.
We do have a societal problem. We also very much have a gun problem.
And proposing all these other things you know won't get accomplished is a way to shift all the responsibility away from the gun issue itself.
And you aren't being emotional about even the thought of some more gun control or anything to even tackle that issue head on? Come on.
It might be because I'm not delusional about why we have the violence in the first place. I'm proposing things that actually would make a difference, another AWB or mag cap/mag ban/etc is emotional policies that will not put a single dent in our gun violence... I'm not the one kicking the can down the road, you are.
I personally didn't propose any of those policies. I genuinely don't know what would work best. I just think you are being really transparent in treating the guns themselves as having nothing to do with the issue of gun violence.
I think everything you were saying would be great to accomplish. It's just really disingenuous to propose them knowing there is a slim chance any of them will happen while completely ignoring the actual guns, just because you want to keep your guns.
The statistics and other countries show that violence is mainly driven by poverty and ignorance. Work on those two main things, and you slow the violence.
And most other countries also have much stricter gun control laws too.
We could work on those things and the gun problem too.
So again, you are being very transparent by completely disregarding the guns as if they somehow aren't part of the gun violence problem.
Either way. I think this is where I drop out of this. We are going in circles and while I agree we should work on the things you mention, we clearly just disagree about the actual guns themselves. And of course neither of us are actually in a direct position to make changes to any of those things, I assume. So you have a good one.
So you're plan is to try and tackle something that's written into the constitution.... that's your goal? Say it's nearly impossible to do everything else on that list which isn't written into our constitution...but guns... they're easier to fix...fucking hell you all are really naive.
You mean like slavery?
Are you equating slavery to owning firearms? You white privileged ivory tower types are hilarious.
Nope. I'm equating slavery to tackling something in the constitution and changing it. You know, the thing you just implied was not something that could be done. I'm sure you know that and are obfuscating.
Yea everyone basically agreed slavery was bad...we fought a fucking civil war over it...the majority of the USA is pro-gun. You will never radify the constitution to remove or nullify the 2nd. It's not going to ever happen.
If everyone agreed, why did we fight a civil war over it?
Are you suggesting we fight another civil war so you can repeal the 2nd amendment? You do realize who wins that one right?
You didn't answer my question. If everyone agreed, why was there a war over it?
I did answer it...you just didn't like the answer.
No you didn't. Either everyone agreed or a war was fought over it. It can't be both. You don't fight a war over something everyone agrees on.
So feel free to explain that contradiction. I doubt you will.
Because most of the ignorant south at the time didn't know shit about it being fought against slavery. Me and 100million + other firearm owners haven't killed anyone or used our firearms in anger..which harms 0 people... slavery harms a fuck load of people and you equating it to the 2nd is hilariously naive. Congress can't even get single payer healthcare past..yet you think we can ratify the constitution?
"Most" didn't? So some did? Then I guess not everyone agreed. So what you said was not true.
At this point you're just being a troll.
I didn't specify a plan one way or another. I just think it's crazy that the talking points you presented seem pretty clearly designed to just kick this issue down the road, cause at least that way you still get to have your guns.
And believe me, solving all those things you mentioned would be great. But why not also try and do something about the major gun issues at the same time too?
Those "talking points" would solve our firearm violence. We don't have a gun problem, we have a societal one. Random mass shootings are a new phenomenon...gang violence and drug violence are not. Solving these things with the list I posted, would curb our violence epidemic 100xs more than just another emotional gun law from people who don't understand guns.
We do have a societal problem. We also very much have a gun problem.
And proposing all these other things you know won't get accomplished is a way to shift all the responsibility away from the gun issue itself.
And you aren't being emotional about even the thought of some more gun control or anything to even tackle that issue head on? Come on.
It might be because I'm not delusional about why we have the violence in the first place. I'm proposing things that actually would make a difference, another AWB or mag cap/mag ban/etc is emotional policies that will not put a single dent in our gun violence... I'm not the one kicking the can down the road, you are.
I personally didn't propose any of those policies. I genuinely don't know what would work best. I just think you are being really transparent in treating the guns themselves as having nothing to do with the issue of gun violence.
I think everything you were saying would be great to accomplish. It's just really disingenuous to propose them knowing there is a slim chance any of them will happen while completely ignoring the actual guns, just because you want to keep your guns.
The statistics and other countries show that violence is mainly driven by poverty and ignorance. Work on those two main things, and you slow the violence.
And most other countries also have much stricter gun control laws too.
We could work on those things and the gun problem too.
So again, you are being very transparent by completely disregarding the guns as if they somehow aren't part of the gun violence problem.
Either way. I think this is where I drop out of this. We are going in circles and while I agree we should work on the things you mention, we clearly just disagree about the actual guns themselves. And of course neither of us are actually in a direct position to make changes to any of those things, I assume. So you have a good one.