it absolutely is a scam.. you WANT it to not be a scam, but you are incorrect..
I think it's the other way around...you WANT everything he touches to be a scam.
I don't like the guy either, but Starlink is a real, actual product that tons of people are using just fine right now. Also, his rockets are allowing the US to continue to send personnel to the space station without relying on Russia. That is not a scam either.
by trying to go with "i know you are but what am i", you just prove how childish your belief in him is
Actually, failing to address any of my points and just hammering on the "Musk bad" seems childish to me.
you have no points.. i've seen their numbers.. the subscriber growth is non-existent.. revenue is abysmal.. the costs are exactly exorbitant.. there is nothing to hide.. it is a failure hoping for a rescue.. think what you like..
That's what Starship is for. A giant, cheap, stainless steel space truck built by blue collar welders that will vomit out hundreds of them before returning to Earth intact to pick up some more.
The whole Mars thing is just for PR. He has a different use for it. That thing ain't ever making it to Mars.
your belief in the myths apparently helps you to ignore the reality
You have yet to actually provide any counter points other than plugging your ears and saying "Nu uh!"
the numbers are public, apparently none of you care to observe their reality
Apparently you don't know how to have a conversation... Doing a quick search it seems like Starlink is around the break even point for operating costs and revenue, so if you'd like to provide sources to refute that, that'd be great.
What makes you think Starship isn't going to Mars?
Cryo boiloff for long duration missions hasn't been solved, for one. Have you seen how much it vents just sitting on the pad?
Fair enough. Starship is still in its infancy though so I wouldn't completely give up hope yet.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be proven wrong and see it succeed, but it takes a LOT more than welding together a steel soda can with engines to get there.
I get your point, but isn't that essentially what any rocket is? Lol
the subscriber growth is non-existent
WTF are you on about?
In January of 2022 SL had about 245,000 subscribers. In January of 2023 they had 1,000,000 subscribers. In September of 2023 SL had over 2,000,000 subscribers. They've increased by a factor of 10 in less than 24 months and doubled in the last 9!
Musk is an ass but what your saying about SL just isn't true.
Why would I want it to not be a scam ? I don't even use it. Years ago, I heard about internet satellite and got curious, so I searched a bit about it and found out it was really expensive. I don't remember exactly but it was more or less in the 100s of dollars monthly for an abysmal speed like " up to 8mb" or something.
If anyone used internet satellite a few years before starlink was launched please correct me if I am wrong.
You're not far off, my parents have a 5gb data cap, about 1-2mbps down, and pings in the 500s.
I don't know how much they're charged, but Starlink is cheaper and better in all aspects
I had a neighbor ask me about my Starlink. They said they had ViaSat and were posting $180 a month for a 2gb data cap with 2-3mb speeds and would have to purchase more for overages. Internet was a requirement because she worked from home. I used to have Hughesnet and they have the same structure.
Yes, Musk sucks, but Starlink has been a game changer for us rural folk.
So it's far worse than I remember. Honestly, I can see the 1-2 mb limit be enough for very casual use but a 5gb data cap for a month is beyond a joke.
Huges internet has categorically been a fucking robbery scheme since inception.
it absolutely is a scam.. you WANT it to not be a scam, but you are incorrect..
I think it's the other way around...you WANT everything he touches to be a scam.
I don't like the guy either, but Starlink is a real, actual product that tons of people are using just fine right now. Also, his rockets are allowing the US to continue to send personnel to the space station without relying on Russia. That is not a scam either.
by trying to go with "i know you are but what am i", you just prove how childish your belief in him is
Actually, failing to address any of my points and just hammering on the "Musk bad" seems childish to me.
you have no points.. i've seen their numbers.. the subscriber growth is non-existent.. revenue is abysmal.. the costs are exactly exorbitant.. there is nothing to hide.. it is a failure hoping for a rescue.. think what you like..
That's what Starship is for. A giant, cheap, stainless steel space truck built by blue collar welders that will vomit out hundreds of them before returning to Earth intact to pick up some more.
The whole Mars thing is just for PR. He has a different use for it. That thing ain't ever making it to Mars.
your belief in the myths apparently helps you to ignore the reality
You have yet to actually provide any counter points other than plugging your ears and saying "Nu uh!"
the numbers are public, apparently none of you care to observe their reality
Apparently you don't know how to have a conversation... Doing a quick search it seems like Starlink is around the break even point for operating costs and revenue, so if you'd like to provide sources to refute that, that'd be great.
What makes you think Starship isn't going to Mars?
Cryo boiloff for long duration missions hasn't been solved, for one. Have you seen how much it vents just sitting on the pad?
Fair enough. Starship is still in its infancy though so I wouldn't completely give up hope yet.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be proven wrong and see it succeed, but it takes a LOT more than welding together a steel soda can with engines to get there.
I get your point, but isn't that essentially what any rocket is? Lol
WTF are you on about?
In January of 2022 SL had about 245,000 subscribers. In January of 2023 they had 1,000,000 subscribers. In September of 2023 SL had over 2,000,000 subscribers. They've increased by a factor of 10 in less than 24 months and doubled in the last 9!
Musk is an ass but what your saying about SL just isn't true.
Why would I want it to not be a scam ? I don't even use it. Years ago, I heard about internet satellite and got curious, so I searched a bit about it and found out it was really expensive. I don't remember exactly but it was more or less in the 100s of dollars monthly for an abysmal speed like " up to 8mb" or something.
If anyone used internet satellite a few years before starlink was launched please correct me if I am wrong.
You're not far off, my parents have a 5gb data cap, about 1-2mbps down, and pings in the 500s.
I don't know how much they're charged, but Starlink is cheaper and better in all aspects
I had a neighbor ask me about my Starlink. They said they had ViaSat and were posting $180 a month for a 2gb data cap with 2-3mb speeds and would have to purchase more for overages. Internet was a requirement because she worked from home. I used to have Hughesnet and they have the same structure.
Yes, Musk sucks, but Starlink has been a game changer for us rural folk.
So it's far worse than I remember. Honestly, I can see the 1-2 mb limit be enough for very casual use but a 5gb data cap for a month is beyond a joke.
Huges internet has categorically been a fucking robbery scheme since inception.