It seems that the ability for an app to continue depends on it having a small userbase willing to pay for the privilege, which probably isn't sustainable. I agree that Reddit has a right to make money but there are better ways to do it that don't involve making Reddit harder to use.
I think there will be some willing to pay, but it is heavily dependent on whether people actually decide to jump over to the Fediverse or not. We really need to work hard while we still have time to drive content and community here to show users that there is a path forward.
Former Apollo user. I just tried to do my morning browse on the official app. It was a sea of ads and negativity. I had to stop after 10 minutes. Would love to see this place take off.
I think people are open minded about migration, but this place is not exactly a warm welcome to new users. For every 1 person that comes and stays, I’d estimate that 5 do not.
It’s frustrating to navigate, it’s not straightforward on how everything works, the differences between “magazines, people, and threads” is not spelled out…how the fediverse is integrated.
Without a coherent and cohesive redesign and or some polished mobile apps to bring it together, it’s futile and wasting the momentum given to it imo.
Coming from Apollo and using Reddit for 15 years, as a tech savvy person, I can say with certainty that the average person (specifically Reddit user) won’t make it much past creating an account. Maybe Christian could work on something for the fediverse. I’d pay for a polished mobile app if he released one.
The hard part for me over the past couple of days is the familiarity, yet completely different way things work.
I still don’t know how to see only things I’m subscribed to.
still not receiving notifications
still having issues searching for and finding new topics etc.
Been only on mobile though, which is very much the likely reason. And the same reason that most people will not stay. It’s not the lack of groups and content. It’s the ease at which they can jump into it. The easier it is (for a mobile user), the more people will come, and the niche forum content will organically arise.
I can see you're on kbin, which as far as I have heard is unique in that it tries to unify lemmy and mastodon content. I'm unsure if that's a good idea, I'm not sure how you're meant to reconcile thread based link aggregation with microblogging feeds. Here on sh.itjust.works I have a set of options at the top of my feed that make it very easy to only see the content I've subscribed to. I'm honestly shocked to hear that it's not so simple for you on your instance.
I am on wefwef + lemmy.world and it has been smooth for me. Only issues came from the user surge. Content is easily searchable, wefwef has a "Home", "Local", and "All" sorting options for communities you see. I find it all very simple, no idea what other people are talking about.
Yes, that's because lemmy.world does not attempt to include mastodon content, as far as I know. From what I can tell, kbin is trying to be one website that works like reddit and twitter at the same time, which is going to be a bit complicated at best.
I did not know that. But it appears it interacts nontheless. I can see how magezines might confuse people as its odd nomenclature. But honestly the biggest issue is the multiples of subgroups with the same names.
Edit: also this double comment stuff but that is an issue with my app as far as I am aware.
Sorry, at this point you're talking about things I don't understand. The nomenclature I'm familiar with is "instances" and "communities". I don't know what a magazine, multiple, or subgroup refers to in this context.
Magazines are what kbin refers to as its "communities" (lemmy) or subreddits. I just said subgroup as a general term but I can see how non-tech people can be confused. If these places want to interact with each other they need common names.
I wouldn't call myself non-tech per se, but the shifting terminology conflicts with my attempts to be precise. As a new user of the fediverse it's become kinda clear that kbin has some of its own culture going on, since things are a little more established over there. When you mentioned multiples or subgroups, I assumed that was analogous to multireddits in some way, which isn't something I've seen implemented yet.
If you search a community on lemmy right now and change the scope to all there will be multiple "sublemmys", or whatever you want to call these collections of related posts. I see that as being a little bit of an issue for mass adoption. I apologize, thats all I meant. Kbin does have its own thing, I'm subscribed to some stuff and have my own account over there as well. Its a little more complex that is true. I'm actually amazed all these different "sites" are interacting like this.
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It seems that the ability for an app to continue depends on it having a small userbase willing to pay for the privilege, which probably isn't sustainable. I agree that Reddit has a right to make money but there are better ways to do it that don't involve making Reddit harder to use.
I think there will be some willing to pay, but it is heavily dependent on whether people actually decide to jump over to the Fediverse or not. We really need to work hard while we still have time to drive content and community here to show users that there is a path forward.
Former Apollo user. I just tried to do my morning browse on the official app. It was a sea of ads and negativity. I had to stop after 10 minutes. Would love to see this place take off.
I think people are open minded about migration, but this place is not exactly a warm welcome to new users. For every 1 person that comes and stays, I’d estimate that 5 do not.
It’s frustrating to navigate, it’s not straightforward on how everything works, the differences between “magazines, people, and threads” is not spelled out…how the fediverse is integrated.
Without a coherent and cohesive redesign and or some polished mobile apps to bring it together, it’s futile and wasting the momentum given to it imo.
Coming from Apollo and using Reddit for 15 years, as a tech savvy person, I can say with certainty that the average person (specifically Reddit user) won’t make it much past creating an account. Maybe Christian could work on something for the fediverse. I’d pay for a polished mobile app if he released one.
The hard part for me over the past couple of days is the familiarity, yet completely different way things work.
I still don’t know how to see only things I’m subscribed to.
still not receiving notifications
still having issues searching for and finding new topics etc.
Been only on mobile though, which is very much the likely reason. And the same reason that most people will not stay. It’s not the lack of groups and content. It’s the ease at which they can jump into it. The easier it is (for a mobile user), the more people will come, and the niche forum content will organically arise.
I can see you're on kbin, which as far as I have heard is unique in that it tries to unify lemmy and mastodon content. I'm unsure if that's a good idea, I'm not sure how you're meant to reconcile thread based link aggregation with microblogging feeds. Here on sh.itjust.works I have a set of options at the top of my feed that make it very easy to only see the content I've subscribed to. I'm honestly shocked to hear that it's not so simple for you on your instance.
I am on wefwef + lemmy.world and it has been smooth for me. Only issues came from the user surge. Content is easily searchable, wefwef has a "Home", "Local", and "All" sorting options for communities you see. I find it all very simple, no idea what other people are talking about.
Yes, that's because lemmy.world does not attempt to include mastodon content, as far as I know. From what I can tell, kbin is trying to be one website that works like reddit and twitter at the same time, which is going to be a bit complicated at best.
I did not know that. But it appears it interacts nontheless. I can see how magezines might confuse people as its odd nomenclature. But honestly the biggest issue is the multiples of subgroups with the same names.
Edit: also this double comment stuff but that is an issue with my app as far as I am aware.
Sorry, at this point you're talking about things I don't understand. The nomenclature I'm familiar with is "instances" and "communities". I don't know what a magazine, multiple, or subgroup refers to in this context.
Magazines are what kbin refers to as its "communities" (lemmy) or subreddits. I just said subgroup as a general term but I can see how non-tech people can be confused. If these places want to interact with each other they need common names.
I wouldn't call myself non-tech per se, but the shifting terminology conflicts with my attempts to be precise. As a new user of the fediverse it's become kinda clear that kbin has some of its own culture going on, since things are a little more established over there. When you mentioned multiples or subgroups, I assumed that was analogous to multireddits in some way, which isn't something I've seen implemented yet.
If you search a community on lemmy right now and change the scope to all there will be multiple "sublemmys", or whatever you want to call these collections of related posts. I see that as being a little bit of an issue for mass adoption. I apologize, thats all I meant. Kbin does have its own thing, I'm subscribed to some stuff and have my own account over there as well. Its a little more complex that is true. I'm actually amazed all these different "sites" are interacting like this.
I would suggest giving https://wefwef.app/posts/sh.itjust.works/all a try.
Apollo like experience, you can browse as a guest. If you want to login, it requires a Lemmy account rather than Kbin however.