How would you feel if Beehaw left the Fediverse?
I am one of the admins of Beehaw and I'm trying to get some feedback on our potential move.
Let's start out with a little Beehaw history before judgements are passed, please.
A handful of us were beta testing Tildes when we decided to have discussions on a Discord server.
We decided that our 'Northern Star' or guiding principle would culminate as 'Be Nice' with purposefully vague/flexible interpretations. Our overall goal is to provide a safe space to disenfranchised persons.
We talked for a little over a year and some of our members became impatient. Then someone stepped in to suggest a couple of platforms that we could consider getting started with.
One of those platforms was Lemmy. None of us knew, at that time, anything about ActivityPub.
During the Reddit exodus (surrounding the API outcry and blackout), our instance exploded. We were, initially, crippled by the mass amounts of users seeking refuge.
Thankfully, someone stepped in and volunteered hundreds of hours of work to stabilize our instance and refine it further.
After many hours of talks, it became clear to us that our overall goal could be achieved outside of Lemmy/ActivityPub.
Right now, we feel that Lemmy and ActivityPub have downsides that are limiting us from achieving that goal.
Because half the other lemmy communities are already defederated from beehaw?
So, let me get this straight:
Because some instances have exercised their right to defederate from the Beehaw instance, Beehaw should not participate in federated conversations with any other instances?
Weird take
I seem to remember beehaw defederating from the other instances by beehaw's choice, so the exact opposite of the thing you said actually.
But no, dingus. I'm saying that this is posted on lemmy.ml because "if they posted it on beehaw nobody would see it since beehaw defederated from half of lemmy already." It's what people often refer to as "a joke," I'm doing what is called "poking fun" at beehaw for their hair trigger defeds. Let me guess, db0 now considered meanies and you're gonna defed?
I don't really get what you're trying to say.
Why would it affect anyone but beehaw users I mean anyway if you're not on beehaw? Or are you saying they're not an admin?
Again, a joke, typically involving subversion of the intent of the original statement that was made for humorous effect, was made. Here let me break it down for you. You said "why is this posted to lemmy.ml" as "why the hell should we care about anyone but ourselves," clearly, but then me and another individual took that statement for it's other possible meaning: "Why is this posted on lemmy.ml? Because if this was posted on beehaw nobody would see it, since they already defederated from everyone anyway." And now I'm adding to it: "likely they defederated because they cannot understand jokes."
Ah, I see. If that's what you meant, then your text implied the opposite, to me at least. "other lemmy communities are already defederated from beehaw" is a vastly different statement to "beehaw are already defederated from other lemmy communities". I suppose "defederated from beehaw" could imply the direction of defederating (the defederating "comes from" beehaw) as opposed to being defederated from beehaw, so the ambiguity makes it pretty murky.
Yes! Beehaw has defederated from a lot of instances, that's the beauty of the fediverse! You get to choose who you cross-communicate with. Beehaw has already been speaking to its own users about the path forward. One might consider, perhaps, that as a part of a federated network of communities, they're trying to get the voices of others to paint a more complete picture of what's up.
As to your name calling and "joke" (and the additional "joke" about Beehaw defederating because you as an individual weren't nice), eh, okay. Sure. You super duper got me. I prefer jokes that all parties would enjoy, rather than ones at the expense of others, but I'm glad you had fun.