The Pentagon will install rooftop solar panels as Biden pushes clean energy in federal buildings

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The Pentagon will install rooftop solar panels as Biden pushes clean energy in federal buildings
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The Defense Department will install solar panels on the Pentagon, part of the Biden administration's plan to promote clean energy and “reestablish the federal government as a sustainability leader.”

The Pentagon is one of 31 government sites that are receiving $104 million in Energy Department grants that are expected to double the amount of carbon-free electricity at federal facilities and create 27 megawatts of clean-energy capacity while leveraging more than $361 million in private investment, the Energy Department said.

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The solar panels are among several improvements set for the Pentagon, which also will install a heat pump system and solar thermal panels to reduce reliance on natural gas and fuel oil combustion systems

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How is lessening your carbon footprint greenwashing?

1: this isn't materially lessening the the pentagons carbon footprint

2: the greenwashing (on you, here, now) is clearly working, hence the justificiation of @queermunist@lemmy.ml premise

I saw this and thought: "Hey, that's a good first step, I wonder how long it is before they take another?" Not that the pentagon went green. Check your bias.

Taking steps that do nothing in lieu of steps that do something is the definition of greenwashing.

Your response:

“Hey, that’s a good first step, ..."

Demonstrates the effectiveness of the seeded story. Propaganda and marketing work.

Wow, do you not understand incremental progress? And I never said that they were green. You can acknowledge progress (however slight) without being a stooge. So, what's the amount of progress that it would take before you stop complaining about the small steps?

Oh I do understand the philosophy of incrementalism.

I understand the consequences and costs of failing to take bold action to do what is necessary to change the course of a situation.

Small steps have only taken us backwards, and it gets worse every cycle. Only bold steps and decisive actions have moved us towards a more perfect union.

Not understanding the cost of small steps forwards on a train that's hurtling in the wrong direction is meaningless. Its justification is to support the problem while being able to rinse your hands of the issue. The justification of smalls steps as progress while we're clearly regressing is the fundamental problem we face as a society, because time, space, and oppurtunity are limited, you will only get so many opportunities to take action. When we either decide to take small steps, or accept them out of others, we further the issue.

Incrementalism as a social philosophy is a failure, and is costing us our ability to survive on this planet, its costing us our ability to have a civil and just society.

You should get off the internet and return to the trees then.

Sorry, I'm too busy to return to the trees, too busy taking bold and decisive action.

I'll return to the trees some day, when my work is done.

The bold and decisive action of... complaining on the Internet. Well done, what the world ever do without your contribution.

This is purely propaganda meant to trick people into thinking the Pentagon is green.

HOW IS IT GREEN WASHING?

Bruh you've been answered. No need to yell.

That wasn't an answer, it was a poorly voiced opinion.

Dude, this conversation is a great example of letting perfect being the enemy of good. Organization takes a step in the right direction, and wack jobs come out of the woodwork because it wasn't a complete change that would have taken decades to finish

Dude, this conversation is a great example of letting perfect being the enemy of good. Organization takes a step in the right direction, and wack jobs come out of the woodwork because it wasn’t a complete change that would have taken decades to finish

We've been 'accepting' the good in earnest now for around 50-60 years under the modern global political hegemony. How is that going? Has the world been improving? We get bold decisive action when it relates to things that make life worse for all peoples, and we get incrementalism when it comes to actions which would improve peoples lives. This is the true cost of incrementalism. Its why the world is fucked. No. Halfway solutions aren't good enough. In fact they are actually worse than no solution at all because the take the space and opportunity where a significant action can be made.

I hear what you are saying but it sounds like "Hey, we have a hole in this boat but instead of trying to stop most of the water from getting in, we're just gonna let it sink, swim to shore and build a new boat."

Have you ever had a hole in your boat?

Guess what. If you don't fully solve having a hole in your boat, you still have a hole in your boat.

You need to completely fix the fucking hole or you are well and truly fucked.

Taking the time to do a halfway repair instead of fully fixing the issue is how you end up at the bottom of the sea.

I choose that, because I know what it takes to stop water coming in a boat, and sometimes all you can do is limit the ingress to a manageable level until you can sail into harbour to get proper maintenance.

You're saying if you can't patch the hole properly at sea, let it sink.

I'm saying there are dudes actively going around and make more holes in the boat with full knowledge of what they are doing. The Pentagon is one of them, the biggest hole maker if all time. They've shive a microscopic amount of cork into the most modest and least impactful of the hundreds of thousands of holes they are making. Also, they're still actively making more holes. All of them far larger than the one you are seeing patched in this story. They regularly argue for Congress to increase their hole making capacity.

It's greenwashing propaganda. And no, halfway solutions aren't good enough. We're not making it to shore, because the philosophy of incrmentalism prevents us from doing enough at once to turn the ship. The fuckers are still drilling new holes, and shifting our bearing a few degrees to port doesn't get us there.

And you're bellyaching about the people doing their best to plug their holes while having to bail the water out at the same time.

But don't the Titanic's deck chairs look so nice now that we've rearranged them?

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