Edit: What's the point of open sourcing this product? It's an MP3 player. How does it utilize wifi? Does it run apps? Can it access a file server to download new media? The video and article doesn't go into that at all. BT is nice but Sandisk $50 clip players have had that for a long time.
This seems like 5x the price for a dev product.
What’s the point of open sourcing this product?
Some people just like to have the possibility to change and completely own their stuff. Some people actually do change firmware or hardware components. I'd say it's mostly for tech enthusiasts and tinkerers.
It's weird to ask "what the point of open sourcing this product", do you ask what the point of keeping the source closed is?
What benefits do you get from this device being open source? It's not like a dumb mp3 player is stealing your data. Can it do anything traditional players can't?
what benefits do you get from that painting being blue? what benefits do you get from eating an orange vs an banana? explain yourself.
This might be the more inane and useless response I've seen on Lemmy. You can't answer the simple question so you throw out a complete change of topic. Pathetic.
I'm making a point, I'm not actually asking you to answer those questions....
That's not relevant at all.
does the sandisk do 2tb of flac?
Using flac files on a device with this fidelity is a waste of space.
Making a lower quality copy of a file to save a minimal amount of space is a waste of my time. Besides 2TB is enough space for over 7,000 hours of basic 44.1kHz 16-bit FLAC listening.
Edit: That's what I get for using a random online calculator. Based on the 39,354 FLAC files I have (of various encoding qualities), totalling 1.19516 terabytes and about 9686530 seconds of audio, I can expect a 2TB SD card to fit somewhere around 4,444 hours of FLAC audio. That still seems like enough.
Totally. Dropping a folder to fre:ac and clicking 2 buttons takes an enormous amount of time.
Also, 7000 hours of FLAC 16/44.1 is about 4.44 TB so your math is pretty off.
That's what I get for using an online calculator.
Still I've got almost 40,000 FLAC files of various quality levels with a duration of roughly 2,700 hours taking up only 1.2 terabytes. Still within the same order of magnitude and still plenty of space in 2TB for a collection I've been curating for 25 years. I don't think it's worth my time to suddenly manage a lesser quality copy of each of those just for a portable player.
I don't want this question to sound like it's in bad faith but how much of this do you listen to, and how much of it just sits there forgotten? My catalogue is about 361 GB (CD rips and purchased downloads) of flacs and I had to make separate folder that I named "!threat of irrelevancy", that is 36 GB in size, for what I believe is an obvious yet personal reason. These numbers are far exceeding any logical timeframe.
Yeah, this is a question in bad faith from a child to someone that's been curating a collection of music for more than a quarter of a century.
This isn't even my entire collection, I've got at least a couple orange crates packed with vinyl, CDs, mp3s, concert videos, and even some cassettes for nostalgia. Do I listen to everything I've gotten digitally? Not yet, but I don't plan on stopping my listening any time soon and drive space is cheap, so I figure that I've got time.
Your "logical timeframe" is both naive and deeply insulting. I'm going to enjoy my library hobby anyway, but you can just fuck off with your negative attitude.
Is it really "naïve" to claim there is simply not enough time itself to listen to music and do everything that we do in out lives? Or is it naïve rather to claim otherwise. And that actually was not in bad faith as I struggle to listen enough on my own. So you can fuck off with your weird ass superiority mister 'more equals better and smarter'.
People like what they like. I like to collect and listen to music. It's NOT cool to shit on someone else hobbies and interests just because you don't get it. If you can't understand that, then yes you are being a naive jerk.
I have no idea where in the hell I was shitting on the same hobby that I have. Probably as a straw man in your head.
Could've fooled me. Other people interpreting the things you say based on your words alone is not a strawman argument though. We should all just chill. Yeah, maybe I haven't listened to everything I've collected, but it's a lot easier to collect now and listen later than search in vain when I want to find something.
It supports FLAC but goes only to about 64 GB micro SD cards. Although they made newer models since, but every one seem to have missing important features, like Bluetooth only or lack of SD cards support.
You can't hear flac. But no it doesn't do 2tb. Is this $250 device water resistant? Does it have a clip? Does it have an FM tuner?
I can hear flac is better than mp3. maybe I can't hear all flac has to offer, but its a better listening experience. also the page 100% says it supports up to 2tb sd. the things you listed literally dont matter to me
That depends on way more than just the file format of your music. With a device like this one, you literally wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
that is a fair point. works on what I own but I'm not involved enough to know what this is capable of. I'll be keeping an eye on reviews and future development, and keep my ipod rocking as long as I can
I mean no one can even hear all the way up the bitrate of MP3s. So no one can actually hear FLAC.
also the page 100% says it supports up to 2tb sd.
No I was answering your question that the Sandisk didn't support that.
e things you listed literally dont matter to me
Cool. I was asking what is so interesting about this $250 iPod and how does open source benefit it? Besides holding so many songs you'll never listen to them I mean. It doesn't appear to have functionality a player 1/5th it's cost does. And no one has given me an answer on what functionality open source could enable for an mp3 player that isn't already available.
when I compare an mp3 file to a flac file, the flac sounds better. theoretical maximum mp3 bitrate isn't what I experience.
sorry about the 2tb miscommunication. 100% my bad.
even if 2tb is too much, it is expandable, and the one you posted isn't. personally I have a few hundred gb. some people do listen to more music.
I dont don't think its worth $250 but its a cool project to be excited about.
for me, open source is mostly philosophical. that won't mean enough to everyone. I also expect better long term support from an open source project.
They don't answer your questions because they don't like the answers, simple as that. My advice would be to not waste any more of your time on this. That's what I'm going to do at least. You can't argue with fanatics.
It could do whatever since it is open source and uses ESP-IDF. Adding features like that or coding an entirely new firmware would be well within hobbyist capabilities.
https://www.westerndigital.com/products/mp3-players/sandisk-clip-sport-go?sku=SDMX30-016G-G46B
$50.
Edit: What's the point of open sourcing this product? It's an MP3 player. How does it utilize wifi? Does it run apps? Can it access a file server to download new media? The video and article doesn't go into that at all. BT is nice but Sandisk $50 clip players have had that for a long time.
This seems like 5x the price for a dev product.
Some people just like to have the possibility to change and completely own their stuff. Some people actually do change firmware or hardware components. I'd say it's mostly for tech enthusiasts and tinkerers.
It's weird to ask "what the point of open sourcing this product", do you ask what the point of keeping the source closed is?
What benefits do you get from this device being open source? It's not like a dumb mp3 player is stealing your data. Can it do anything traditional players can't?
what benefits do you get from that painting being blue? what benefits do you get from eating an orange vs an banana? explain yourself.
This might be the more inane and useless response I've seen on Lemmy. You can't answer the simple question so you throw out a complete change of topic. Pathetic.
I'm making a point, I'm not actually asking you to answer those questions....
That's not relevant at all.
does the sandisk do 2tb of flac?
Using flac files on a device with this fidelity is a waste of space.
Making a lower quality copy of a file to save a minimal amount of space is a waste of my time. Besides 2TB is enough space for over
7,000hours of basic 44.1kHz 16-bit FLAC listening.Edit: That's what I get for using a random online calculator. Based on the 39,354 FLAC files I have (of various encoding qualities), totalling 1.19516 terabytes and about 9686530 seconds of audio, I can expect a 2TB SD card to fit somewhere around 4,444 hours of FLAC audio. That still seems like enough.
Totally. Dropping a folder to fre:ac and clicking 2 buttons takes an enormous amount of time.
Also, 7000 hours of FLAC 16/44.1 is about 4.44 TB so your math is pretty off.
That's what I get for using an online calculator.
Still I've got almost 40,000 FLAC files of various quality levels with a duration of roughly 2,700 hours taking up only 1.2 terabytes. Still within the same order of magnitude and still plenty of space in 2TB for a collection I've been curating for 25 years. I don't think it's worth my time to suddenly manage a lesser quality copy of each of those just for a portable player.
I don't want this question to sound like it's in bad faith but how much of this do you listen to, and how much of it just sits there forgotten? My catalogue is about 361 GB (CD rips and purchased downloads) of flacs and I had to make separate folder that I named "!threat of irrelevancy", that is 36 GB in size, for what I believe is an obvious yet personal reason. These numbers are far exceeding any logical timeframe.
Yeah, this is a question in bad faith from a child to someone that's been curating a collection of music for more than a quarter of a century.
This isn't even my entire collection, I've got at least a couple orange crates packed with vinyl, CDs, mp3s, concert videos, and even some cassettes for nostalgia. Do I listen to everything I've gotten digitally? Not yet, but I don't plan on stopping my listening any time soon and drive space is cheap, so I figure that I've got time.
Your "logical timeframe" is both naive and deeply insulting. I'm going to enjoy my library hobby anyway, but you can just fuck off with your negative attitude.
Is it really "naïve" to claim there is simply not enough time itself to listen to music and do everything that we do in out lives? Or is it naïve rather to claim otherwise. And that actually was not in bad faith as I struggle to listen enough on my own. So you can fuck off with your weird ass superiority mister 'more equals better and smarter'.
People like what they like. I like to collect and listen to music. It's NOT cool to shit on someone else hobbies and interests just because you don't get it. If you can't understand that, then yes you are being a naive jerk.
I have no idea where in the hell I was shitting on the same hobby that I have. Probably as a straw man in your head.
Could've fooled me. Other people interpreting the things you say based on your words alone is not a strawman argument though. We should all just chill. Yeah, maybe I haven't listened to everything I've collected, but it's a lot easier to collect now and listen later than search in vain when I want to find something.
It supports FLAC but goes only to about 64 GB micro SD cards. Although they made newer models since, but every one seem to have missing important features, like Bluetooth only or lack of SD cards support.
You can't hear flac. But no it doesn't do 2tb. Is this $250 device water resistant? Does it have a clip? Does it have an FM tuner?
I can hear flac is better than mp3. maybe I can't hear all flac has to offer, but its a better listening experience. also the page 100% says it supports up to 2tb sd. the things you listed literally dont matter to me
That depends on way more than just the file format of your music. With a device like this one, you literally wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
that is a fair point. works on what I own but I'm not involved enough to know what this is capable of. I'll be keeping an eye on reviews and future development, and keep my ipod rocking as long as I can
I mean no one can even hear all the way up the bitrate of MP3s. So no one can actually hear FLAC.
No I was answering your question that the Sandisk didn't support that.
Cool. I was asking what is so interesting about this $250 iPod and how does open source benefit it? Besides holding so many songs you'll never listen to them I mean. It doesn't appear to have functionality a player 1/5th it's cost does. And no one has given me an answer on what functionality open source could enable for an mp3 player that isn't already available.
when I compare an mp3 file to a flac file, the flac sounds better. theoretical maximum mp3 bitrate isn't what I experience.
sorry about the 2tb miscommunication. 100% my bad.
even if 2tb is too much, it is expandable, and the one you posted isn't. personally I have a few hundred gb. some people do listen to more music.
I dont don't think its worth $250 but its a cool project to be excited about.
for me, open source is mostly philosophical. that won't mean enough to everyone. I also expect better long term support from an open source project.
They don't answer your questions because they don't like the answers, simple as that. My advice would be to not waste any more of your time on this. That's what I'm going to do at least. You can't argue with fanatics.
It could do whatever since it is open source and uses ESP-IDF. Adding features like that or coding an entirely new firmware would be well within hobbyist capabilities.