Yeah well Dems stopping tax cuts for the rich don’t hurt us as much
Who said anything about them stopping tax cuts for the rich? I was talking about stuff Democrats did 2 years ago, like stopping the minimum wage increase and BBB. You know, their accomplishments.
How in the world can you contribute that to the Dems when they were split and Republicans almost unanimously voted against it.
If you're issue is that they should have all voted to push it through then absolutely I wish they would too and you should vote in a way that reinforces what you'd like to see.
That being said of our two options Dems support it the most. If your argument is that we should have more options to vote for what we really want then we agree again, we need voter reform to make 3rd options viable via multi-choice voting
How in the world can you contribute that to the Dems when they were split and Republicans almost unanimously voted against it.
BBB never made it to the floor, thanks to the only Democrat whose voice matters, Joe Manchin.
If you’re issue is that they should have all voted to push it through then absolutely I wish they would too
My issue is that the party is useless on purpose. Your issue is that I don't worship them for it.
I wish they would too and you should vote in a way that reinforces what you’d like to see.
There is no available way to vote that will ever reinforce what I'd like to see. Democrats oppose me less than Republicans do and that's the best they'll ever be willing to do.
Based insane take divorced from reality.
What in my reply made it seem like I worship them, they're the best we have and I long for better way but the only way we're going to get better is voteing reform on many levels.
Voting in fascists out of spite does no good.
And predictable as the dawn, there it is.
The assumption that anger at Democrats' deliberate uselessness means advocacy for voting for Republicans.
These people are just as blind as the fringe right conspiracist nutjobs. It's like they're arguing that McDonalds is better than Burger King because they only spit in your food 75% of the time rather than 95% of the time, while you're arguing that we shouldn't be eating at either of these restaurants to begin with. To top it all off they call you insane and a fascist for not agreeing with them.
This country is so fucked.
Centrist Democrats can't imagine that people who don't want any spit at all in their burgers actually exist.
But it does, due to the unfortunate way our voting system is structured until massive voting reform voting for anyone accept the big two is literally voting for the other. It sucks but unless we change it we have to live with that
What a convenient excuse to silence all criticism.
Nope, I'm very vocal about criticism and fixing it but the solution you suggest has already horribly backfired once but by all means shoot yourself in the foot again
the solution you suggest
What solution did I suggest?
Oh right. You don't care. You don't want to listen, just lecture.
I'll listen when you say something that isn't just deflection
So what solution did I suggest?
Your responses were implicit that the only way to teach Democrats was to either vote Republican or third party.
Of course you did not come out and say this because you take a hard line stance on nothing instead, playing contrarian to everyone else.
Because as I've said before you only deflect you don't actually State what you believe. The entire time we've talked all you've done is call down existing institutions without offering up any actual solutions and anytime one is presented you deflect.
Your responses were implicit that the only way to teach Democrats was to either vote Republican or third party.
Hogwash. Democrats will never learn, and teaching them is a fool's errand. You seem to be operating under the misguided and all-too-common assumption that anyone who is critical of Democrats in the slightest is somehow in favor of Republicans or not voting.
Democrats are shit on purpose, and if that ever stops being true, I'll stop saying it.
Who said anything about them stopping tax cuts for the rich? I was talking about stuff Democrats did 2 years ago, like stopping the minimum wage increase and BBB. You know, their accomplishments.
How in the world can you contribute that to the Dems when they were split and Republicans almost unanimously voted against it.
If you're issue is that they should have all voted to push it through then absolutely I wish they would too and you should vote in a way that reinforces what you'd like to see.
That being said of our two options Dems support it the most. If your argument is that we should have more options to vote for what we really want then we agree again, we need voter reform to make 3rd options viable via multi-choice voting
BBB never made it to the floor, thanks to the only Democrat whose voice matters, Joe Manchin.
My issue is that the party is useless on purpose. Your issue is that I don't worship them for it.
There is no available way to vote that will ever reinforce what I'd like to see. Democrats oppose me less than Republicans do and that's the best they'll ever be willing to do.
Based insane take divorced from reality.
What in my reply made it seem like I worship them, they're the best we have and I long for better way but the only way we're going to get better is voteing reform on many levels.
Voting in fascists out of spite does no good.
And predictable as the dawn, there it is.
The assumption that anger at Democrats' deliberate uselessness means advocacy for voting for Republicans.
These people are just as blind as the fringe right conspiracist nutjobs. It's like they're arguing that McDonalds is better than Burger King because they only spit in your food 75% of the time rather than 95% of the time, while you're arguing that we shouldn't be eating at either of these restaurants to begin with. To top it all off they call you insane and a fascist for not agreeing with them.
This country is so fucked.
Centrist Democrats can't imagine that people who don't want any spit at all in their burgers actually exist.
But it does, due to the unfortunate way our voting system is structured until massive voting reform voting for anyone accept the big two is literally voting for the other. It sucks but unless we change it we have to live with that
What a convenient excuse to silence all criticism.
Nope, I'm very vocal about criticism and fixing it but the solution you suggest has already horribly backfired once but by all means shoot yourself in the foot again
What solution did I suggest?
Oh right. You don't care. You don't want to listen, just lecture.
I'll listen when you say something that isn't just deflection
So what solution did I suggest?
Your responses were implicit that the only way to teach Democrats was to either vote Republican or third party.
Of course you did not come out and say this because you take a hard line stance on nothing instead, playing contrarian to everyone else.
Because as I've said before you only deflect you don't actually State what you believe. The entire time we've talked all you've done is call down existing institutions without offering up any actual solutions and anytime one is presented you deflect.
Hogwash. Democrats will never learn, and teaching them is a fool's errand. You seem to be operating under the misguided and all-too-common assumption that anyone who is critical of Democrats in the slightest is somehow in favor of Republicans or not voting.
Democrats are shit on purpose, and if that ever stops being true, I'll stop saying it.
the only people suggesting we should be voting in fascists are those who want trump or biden.
Equating those two absolutely smashes nuance. They aren't the same
Nobody said they are the same, but that doesn't mean they aren't both facists.
if I said they were both old men or politicians or obscenely wealthy, would you think I'm saying they are the same?
they can share traits without being the same.
Some Democrats want to be the same across as many issues as possible without being called the same.