If you can't afford the tip, why are you paying $70 for a meal?
So let's say you go buy a car, do you leave a coupple thousands more for good measure?
Car sales people are paid on commission. If servers were paid on commission then your argument would make sense. If car sales peole were paid less than minimum wage, your argument might make sense. Neither of these is the case, so it doesn't.
Tipping then should be a fix amount. Is not like if i pay 15$ for a pasta or 50$ for a stake there is a differenze in service.
Once it's a fix amount, they could.... Drumrolls.... Include it in the menu prices!
Anyway i know is not your fault and it's the american system that is cheating but you can vote with your wallet
Tipping shouldn't exist because people should be paid a living wage.
Exactly what I wrote. Include it in the menu price so that they can "afford" to pay their staff
Agreed, which is why I'm against tipping. I refuse to support people getting paid an unfair wage.
So his argument makes sense. E: lol
Because that's just how much it costs to go out to eat now. No one can afford it. Where have you been?
Again, if it's too expensive to afford, why are you doing it? It's not medical care. No one is forcing you to eat at a restaurant.
I didn't know eating was a luxury sorry
It's not, but eating at a restaurant is.
Not really. Not unless it's a fancy restaurant. Sometimes you just need to eat when you aren't home.
It's called "bringing food" or "going home." It's what people have done for thousands of years. Fuck, go buy some prepared food at a supermarket. This is not rocket science. I've never been forced to spend $70 on food while I was out. That's not a thing.
Edit: look, if your position is that everyone should be able to eat when they're out and not have to plan as much then great, we're on the same page. Everyone should be able to eat out occasionally, or maybe even regularly. If your position is that you should be able to eat an expense meal and not care about the people who served you, then fuck you.
Edit: also, if you aren't getting paid enough to pay service workers maybe you should go on strike.
Humans aren't perfectly rational consumers, capable of always depriving themselves of joy in the name of fiscal responsibility.
I imagine the crux of your argument rests on the idea that eating out for $70 or $90 are two identical things, when in fact they are not. If you do it 10 times a year, it's a $200 difference.
The reason that difference exists is to satisfy the desire the owning class has to not pay workers enough to survive. If they did, the capitalists would have less money, you would have more money, and the waiter would have the same amount of money.
That's better. Not perfectly ideal, but better than now.
I don't expect people to be rational, I know they aren't. The point is that it's better to not eat out than to screw over a person who may not be able to afford to eat in the restaurant you're eating in. You are asking someone to work for you for starvation wages and then complaining that they're upset that you're not filling in the rest of the wages.
Yeah, the owning class is to blame, so stop giving the restaurant money.
I always tip when I eat out because I agree, and this post is mistakenly directing the anger at the waiters, but tipping culture is a problem that properly developed countries don't have to deal with.
Also, the owners do have to cover the difference to minimum wage if tips don't get you there. Minimum wage is generally too low to live off of, but some workers get paid that anyway. If you live somewhere with a $15 an hour minimum wage, and that actually aligns with COL, then tipping culture disappearing wouldn't be terrible.
If you can't afford the tip, why are you paying $70 for a meal?
So let's say you go buy a car, do you leave a coupple thousands more for good measure?
Car sales people are paid on commission. If servers were paid on commission then your argument would make sense. If car sales peole were paid less than minimum wage, your argument might make sense. Neither of these is the case, so it doesn't.
Tipping then should be a fix amount. Is not like if i pay 15$ for a pasta or 50$ for a stake there is a differenze in service.
Once it's a fix amount, they could.... Drumrolls.... Include it in the menu prices!
Anyway i know is not your fault and it's the american system that is cheating but you can vote with your wallet
Tipping shouldn't exist because people should be paid a living wage.
Exactly what I wrote. Include it in the menu price so that they can "afford" to pay their staff
Agreed, which is why I'm against tipping. I refuse to support people getting paid an unfair wage.
So his argument makes sense. E: lol
Because that's just how much it costs to go out to eat now. No one can afford it. Where have you been?
Again, if it's too expensive to afford, why are you doing it? It's not medical care. No one is forcing you to eat at a restaurant.
I didn't know eating was a luxury sorry
It's not, but eating at a restaurant is.
Not really. Not unless it's a fancy restaurant. Sometimes you just need to eat when you aren't home.
It's called "bringing food" or "going home." It's what people have done for thousands of years. Fuck, go buy some prepared food at a supermarket. This is not rocket science. I've never been forced to spend $70 on food while I was out. That's not a thing.
Edit: look, if your position is that everyone should be able to eat when they're out and not have to plan as much then great, we're on the same page. Everyone should be able to eat out occasionally, or maybe even regularly. If your position is that you should be able to eat an expense meal and not care about the people who served you, then fuck you.
Edit: also, if you aren't getting paid enough to pay service workers maybe you should go on strike.
Humans aren't perfectly rational consumers, capable of always depriving themselves of joy in the name of fiscal responsibility.
I imagine the crux of your argument rests on the idea that eating out for $70 or $90 are two identical things, when in fact they are not. If you do it 10 times a year, it's a $200 difference.
The reason that difference exists is to satisfy the desire the owning class has to not pay workers enough to survive. If they did, the capitalists would have less money, you would have more money, and the waiter would have the same amount of money.
That's better. Not perfectly ideal, but better than now.
I don't expect people to be rational, I know they aren't. The point is that it's better to not eat out than to screw over a person who may not be able to afford to eat in the restaurant you're eating in. You are asking someone to work for you for starvation wages and then complaining that they're upset that you're not filling in the rest of the wages.
Yeah, the owning class is to blame, so stop giving the restaurant money.
I always tip when I eat out because I agree, and this post is mistakenly directing the anger at the waiters, but tipping culture is a problem that properly developed countries don't have to deal with.
Also, the owners do have to cover the difference to minimum wage if tips don't get you there. Minimum wage is generally too low to live off of, but some workers get paid that anyway. If you live somewhere with a $15 an hour minimum wage, and that actually aligns with COL, then tipping culture disappearing wouldn't be terrible.