Did anyone listen to the conversation..? Because what Vice is claiming is not at all what was talked about. They are chopping up the 20 minute conversation on said topic and creating a completely different conversation.
Bret was saying the drug scene did not help people who had AIDS, as it helped ruin the immune system for people who had an immune disease.
They brought Fauci up (the subject of RFK'S book) because of Fauci pushing AZT, which literally killed thousands
Zidovudine killed thousands? Bullshit. Magic Johnson is alive today because of Antiretrovirals, of which AZT was the first.
The median survival time of AIDS patients on azidothymidine was 4.5 times higher when compared to a historical AIDS group who had not received the drug.
There's another article just below that talking about a study with 282 patients and the adverse health affects.
Again, I was more talking about the article.
No, you weren’t. You were injecting your own pseudoscienentific opinion. AZT did not “kill thousands” and the article did not make that claim, so you’re sourcing it from a notable liar.
If you want to talk about why the study was not ideally run, be my guest, but AZT is effective for what it does: Preventing HIV from using the cheapest pathway to insert itself into your genome. It is why it’s still part of the drug cocktail to this day.
Drugs kill people, thousands isn't very many. Iatrogenic, whatever, people die from chemotherapy although it's hard to establish whether they would have without the cancer already being present. HIV has killed many more, and anti-retrovirals work, even if all drugs have side-effects.
Even so - I'm busy so I'm not going to bother listening to the podcast, but I assume he's being misrepresented because that's usually the case nowadays.
No
This is my default assumption on all slander articles like this. I stopped listening to JRE when he went Spotify exclusive so I can't comment on anything recent, but having listened to every single podcast episode from probably equally controversial podcaster Sam Harris, it's quite hilarious to compare the actual content of the podcast to what these articles are saying.
Most of the people critizising ones like Joe Rogan here have never listened a single episode of their shows. While there's plenty of legitimate reasons to critizise for aswell, most of the stuff I hear are bad faith misrepresentations and quotes out of context.
I've listened to Rogan. Edited or unedited, he's a dumbfuck.
Not liking someone is different that intentionally misrepresenting their or their quest's views. You're free to dislike him all you want, nothing wrong with that.
Yeah. I agree with you. I definitely don't agree with a lot that Rogan says and as he even says, he's not smart. With this said, he has very intellectual guests.
I was merely stating that Vice, along with most corporate media outlets, like to completely chop up his interviews and create a hit piece from quotes out of context; people eat it up and rage about it and it's not just Rogan this happens to. Those media outlets love to create anger and turmoil from nothing; most people can't think for themselves, so headlines and trash articles are how they make opinions
Did anyone listen to the conversation..? Because what Vice is claiming is not at all what was talked about. They are chopping up the 20 minute conversation on said topic and creating a completely different conversation.
Bret was saying the drug scene did not help people who had AIDS, as it helped ruin the immune system for people who had an immune disease.
They brought Fauci up (the subject of RFK'S book) because of Fauci pushing AZT, which literally killed thousands
Zidovudine killed thousands? Bullshit. Magic Johnson is alive today because of Antiretrovirals, of which AZT was the first.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2512592/
From 145 patient studies, done with placebo.
There's another article just below that talking about a study with 282 patients and the adverse health affects.
Again, I was more talking about the article.
No, you weren’t. You were injecting your own pseudoscienentific opinion. AZT did not “kill thousands” and the article did not make that claim, so you’re sourcing it from a notable liar.
If you want to talk about why the study was not ideally run, be my guest, but AZT is effective for what it does: Preventing HIV from using the cheapest pathway to insert itself into your genome. It is why it’s still part of the drug cocktail to this day.
https://time.com/4705809/first-aids-drug-azt/
Drugs kill people, thousands isn't very many. Iatrogenic, whatever, people die from chemotherapy although it's hard to establish whether they would have without the cancer already being present. HIV has killed many more, and anti-retrovirals work, even if all drugs have side-effects.
Even so - I'm busy so I'm not going to bother listening to the podcast, but I assume he's being misrepresented because that's usually the case nowadays.
No
This is my default assumption on all slander articles like this. I stopped listening to JRE when he went Spotify exclusive so I can't comment on anything recent, but having listened to every single podcast episode from probably equally controversial podcaster Sam Harris, it's quite hilarious to compare the actual content of the podcast to what these articles are saying.
Most of the people critizising ones like Joe Rogan here have never listened a single episode of their shows. While there's plenty of legitimate reasons to critizise for aswell, most of the stuff I hear are bad faith misrepresentations and quotes out of context.
I've listened to Rogan. Edited or unedited, he's a dumbfuck.
Not liking someone is different that intentionally misrepresenting their or their quest's views. You're free to dislike him all you want, nothing wrong with that.
Yeah. I agree with you. I definitely don't agree with a lot that Rogan says and as he even says, he's not smart. With this said, he has very intellectual guests.
I was merely stating that Vice, along with most corporate media outlets, like to completely chop up his interviews and create a hit piece from quotes out of context; people eat it up and rage about it and it's not just Rogan this happens to. Those media outlets love to create anger and turmoil from nothing; most people can't think for themselves, so headlines and trash articles are how they make opinions