Handwringing over Biden's age has Democrats worried about a repeat of Ruth Bader Ginsberg's refusal to step down

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Handwringing over Biden's age has Democrats worried about a repeat of Ruth Bader Ginsberg's refusal to step down
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No, I don’t ever remember that. I remember Bernie calling “conspiracy” when Warren dropped out, because he knew he would never defeat Biden in a fair 1:1 fight. He needed Warren to split the vote. This is also the reason Harris dropped out. Harris and Biden were going to take the same votes.

Biden and Harris are better politicians, because they actually know how to play.

I remember Bernie calling “conspiracy” when Warren dropped out

Got a source for that?

Yes, the actual election results where Bernie lost by more the second time than he did the first. He knew he couldn’t win a 1 on 1, he knows half the party hates him.

So you lied about him calling "conspiracy."

No, it may have just been supporters, but I remember the faux outrage that she would drop out. I know my lived experience. You all know he can’t win a fair primary, and he’d fair even worse in the general.

No, it may have just been supporters,

So your assertion that Bernie said it was a conspiracy was a lie. Full stop.

No, I believe I remember such statements coming from his campaign, and his campaign speaks for him.

So it was him, then his supporters, then his campaign, but you have no source.

Yeah, I’m not digging through anything for you. You can call me a liar. I don’t care. You don’t matter.

Yeah, I’m not digging through anything for you.

You got caught lying.

You can call me a liar.

Don't need your permission.

I don’t care. You don’t matter.

No one but donors ever will to centrists.

The outrage was in.the opposite direction of what you're saying here. Bernie supporters were mad she didnt drop out, because her voters leaned more left than most of the field in the primary. The accusation was that she was splitting the vote to hurt Bernie, not to hurt Biden

I don't think that's accurate, I think most polls show that Warren support tended to come from people between Biden and Bernie.

And what conspiracies are accurate? She was demonized for not dropping out late in the race. I was a Warren -> Bernie primary voter because I started the cycle thinking that Bernie couldn't make it, so when they started going at her it stuck out to me. My state is late in the primary so it was decided before I even got to have a voice, but I followed the primary closely.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1828358/bernie-sanders-supporters-signal-for-warren-to-drop-out-and-endorse-him/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PresidentialRaceMemes/comments/fd5ytd/warren_refusing_to_drop_out/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/3/21161869/elizabeth-warren-super-tuesday-bernie-sanders-biden-drop-out

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/03/04/warren-faces-pressure-to-drop-out-after-big-super-tuesday-losses/?sh=1e41c51f611e

Not how I remember it, but I think they were all reaching for straws to explain another failed attempt. So, I wouldn’t be surprised to find done arguing both sides of the coin. Bernie’s only hope was splitting the the rest of the vote. He simply never had a good coalition of Democrats, and his constant insults to the party didn’t help him any.

You mean the conspiracies that she was staying in to split the left vote and help Biden? What are you on about, this is the opposite of what happened. Do you not remember the snakes thing to try and get her to drop so Bernie could pick up her supporters?

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