My partner and I just played through this together in co-op and had a great time. We thought it was a good game.
I read the whole discord drama stuff, and I'm more on Crema's side. I think they've made the mistake of trying to talk to a fanbase like they are just a group of reasonable people that will understand and empathize if you just lay out the facts. But they aren't. They're just going to pick apart anything you say and relentlessly shit on you because they are, collectively, not able to be reasoned with.
They released an MMO in its final state, minus some Kickstarter promised stuff, that they have said they will deliver. They tried to monetize the game how they felt was best, it didn't work out, so they've moved on and left a functioning, small-scope MMO. You can argue the quality of it or whether you agree with their decisions, but they made what they said they were going to make.
And they are still releasing small updates to a community that is, frankly, awful. The subreddit is just a hivemind of asshole armchair developers.
Honest question: can you name an asshole gaming community that isn't tied to a live service game? Because I feel like the shitty community comes from expecting everything to be continually improved, and lots of those improvements are subjective, so someone's improvement is someone else's regression. I'll happily revise my hypothesis with some good counter examples though.
Warframe's community is the nicest, least toxic community I've ever encountered. Not saying there aren't toxic ass holes, there certainly are, but compared to other online game communities I've been part of the Warframe community is a breath of fresh air.
So perhaps the updated hypothesis is all asshole communities are tied to live service games, but not all live service games have asshole communities?
I’m not a huge mmo fan but I do like Final Fantasy 14, in part because the community is surprisingly friendly.
So yeah, I support “live service games attract bad communities, but sometimes they rise above that”.
Pretty much, yeah.
Half the community is from the intelligence community, it's in their interest to keep it nice so new players keep joining and leaking top secret technical specs
Warframe, not Warthunder. Warthunder is a toxic shithole.
Ah whoops. Don't play either.
Maybe warframe has some lost and confused spooks who are waiting for their big break?
Doubt it, seeing as Warframe has nothing to do with the current military in any way.
It's a joke... 😅
Not a very funny one, hence me clarifying.
Ah yes, the top secret specs of human experiments, augmenting soldiers with genetic altering diseases and space magic technologies.
Is the chess community nice?
Sometimes. The chess community is very weird in my experience. Like, anarchy chess is a thing and shitposting seems to have permeated chess culture. Case in point, the double bongcloud being played in tournament (1:32 length clip). (For context, the bongcloud opening is very bad, playing it is basically a self nerf. Because of the way that tournaments and points work, the end outcome of this game was basically a mutually agreed draw, but they did it in the most shitposting way possible.).
Personally, I think this is great, it's made it harder for some people to be gatekeepy arseholes within the chess community. I am always slightly perplexed by the memes though - with absurd humour, it can be hard to tell whether I'm missing the joke, or whether the joke is that there is no joke.
It's because the fanbase is a bit tired of the developers.
The developer already set the tone very early on by being a pompous prick over the whole ban nonsense. No one could prove it but it seemed like certain key remappers (like for joysticks and things like that) were causing the anti cheat to trip even if they weren't being used, just running in the background. The CEO was a real jerk about it on twitter when people asked why there wouldn't be any appeals.
That kind of arrogance and behaviour came out several times. There isn't any reason for the community to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Oof. Sounds like TemTem and Planetside have that in common.
My partner and I just played through this together in co-op and had a great time. We thought it was a good game.
I read the whole discord drama stuff, and I'm more on Crema's side. I think they've made the mistake of trying to talk to a fanbase like they are just a group of reasonable people that will understand and empathize if you just lay out the facts. But they aren't. They're just going to pick apart anything you say and relentlessly shit on you because they are, collectively, not able to be reasoned with.
They released an MMO in its final state, minus some Kickstarter promised stuff, that they have said they will deliver. They tried to monetize the game how they felt was best, it didn't work out, so they've moved on and left a functioning, small-scope MMO. You can argue the quality of it or whether you agree with their decisions, but they made what they said they were going to make.
And they are still releasing small updates to a community that is, frankly, awful. The subreddit is just a hivemind of asshole armchair developers.
Honest question: can you name an asshole gaming community that isn't tied to a live service game? Because I feel like the shitty community comes from expecting everything to be continually improved, and lots of those improvements are subjective, so someone's improvement is someone else's regression. I'll happily revise my hypothesis with some good counter examples though.
Warframe's community is the nicest, least toxic community I've ever encountered. Not saying there aren't toxic ass holes, there certainly are, but compared to other online game communities I've been part of the Warframe community is a breath of fresh air.
So perhaps the updated hypothesis is all asshole communities are tied to live service games, but not all live service games have asshole communities?
I’m not a huge mmo fan but I do like Final Fantasy 14, in part because the community is surprisingly friendly.
So yeah, I support “live service games attract bad communities, but sometimes they rise above that”.
Pretty much, yeah.
Half the community is from the intelligence community, it's in their interest to keep it nice so new players keep joining and leaking top secret technical specs
Warframe, not Warthunder. Warthunder is a toxic shithole.
Ah whoops. Don't play either.
Maybe warframe has some lost and confused spooks who are waiting for their big break?
Doubt it, seeing as Warframe has nothing to do with the current military in any way.
It's a joke... 😅
Not a very funny one, hence me clarifying.
Ah yes, the top secret specs of human experiments, augmenting soldiers with genetic altering diseases and space magic technologies.
Is the chess community nice?
Sometimes. The chess community is very weird in my experience. Like, anarchy chess is a thing and shitposting seems to have permeated chess culture. Case in point, the double bongcloud being played in tournament (1:32 length clip). (For context, the bongcloud opening is very bad, playing it is basically a self nerf. Because of the way that tournaments and points work, the end outcome of this game was basically a mutually agreed draw, but they did it in the most shitposting way possible.).
Personally, I think this is great, it's made it harder for some people to be gatekeepy arseholes within the chess community. I am always slightly perplexed by the memes though - with absurd humour, it can be hard to tell whether I'm missing the joke, or whether the joke is that there is no joke.
It's because the fanbase is a bit tired of the developers.
The developer already set the tone very early on by being a pompous prick over the whole ban nonsense. No one could prove it but it seemed like certain key remappers (like for joysticks and things like that) were causing the anti cheat to trip even if they weren't being used, just running in the background. The CEO was a real jerk about it on twitter when people asked why there wouldn't be any appeals.
That kind of arrogance and behaviour came out several times. There isn't any reason for the community to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Oof. Sounds like TemTem and Planetside have that in common.