Lemmy's Image Problem (Updated 02-06-2024)

Sean Tilley@lemmy.world to Fediverse@lemmy.world – 303 points –
Lemmy's Image Problem
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Highlighting the recent report of users and admins being unable to delete images, and how Trust & Safety tooling is currently lacking.

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@deadsuperhero Damn..breaking GDPR is a big problem

If an entity isn’t in Europe it shouldn’t be a problem at all.

That depends and should depend on what the instance is used for and whom it is used for.

If it's an instance open to anyone, it's up to Europeans to not participate if they don't want to.

Yeah unfortunately that's not how the law works.

Actually it is :)

Not located in the EU, not targeting the EU, and under 250 employees means no GDPR to worry about.

https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/application-regulation/who-does-data-protection-law-apply_en

From your link:

  • a company established outside the EU and is offering goods/services (paid or for free) or is monitoring the behaviour of individuals in the EU.

A social networks core purpose is processing data, processing of data does pose risks to people.

I doubt that privacy watchdogs will pursue smaller instances, but pretending it never applies could lead to legal issues.

Eh i still dont think itd hold up.

But more reason to hate European arrogance. Imagine if i could go to say your blog, comment my name and address, and sue you for not going into your database and scrubbing it all. Just another way to benefit big companies at the expense of individuals who dont have the tech skills to comply but want to run their own personal sites.

Such an ignorant stance. Privacy is an individuals RIGHT. It should have been the defacto stance for everything.

You allowed the corporate fuckery to cloud your thinking it is too much to ask for. It isn't. And GDPR compliance is usually straightforward.

  • is the data required to do what you and the user agree, then be explicit on why and store it. (So the content of a post is required, anything else is not).
  • Do not use data for purposes not explicitly agreed to with the user and remove any data no longer nessecary.
  • certain data can NEVER be stored unless legally required to do so.

If the blog platform in your example had an option to "delete my account" and it would then completely scrubbed this would be plenty compliant probably. As would the option for people to comment without storing anything but the comment.

It is, which is why you have the RIGHT not to use a public space and push your information out to millions of people. You explicitly agreed to it the second you started doing it.

And if it didn’t? If it’s just a simple piece of software made by two people? Should they drop everything to cater to European demands?

Europe invaded the world, then turns around and tells the world to respect its self imposed rule it enforces on others. We can’t even host our own space on the internet without you invading and threatening us to operate your way. The only safety we apparently have is in our small size means we might escape notice.

It’s utter arrogance.

Europe funds them. Check where they got their money.

Requiring people (yes also tankies devs) to respect human rights as outlined in many treaties is not a fringe stance.

The GDPR was implemented to require entities to respect human rights by giving privacy watchdogs some teeth. It's not some strange law people made because they felt like it. It is apparently needed because privacy is just some silly concept to some people.

If you don't understand all of that, maybe just sit down and be quiet.

To be precise, it's not devs that need to worry about GDPR, it's instance admins. I don't disagree with you, but I think it's an important distinction to make.

Fair point, it also requires privacy by design though.

And again, why not invest some time into actually respecting privacy. Storing all sorts of info through a framework that is not needed. And at least discuss what is needed and for how long.

It is a work in progress, but there is no need to be hostile about these requirements by people against these rules.

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Or the US. The US enforces GDPR on behalf of the EU. If the US catches you with misusing EU citizens' data, they will let the EU take 10 million off your accounts and/or close your instance.

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