Biden made it illegal for rail workers to strike, fuck this DNC shill nonsense. I will not be voting for Democrats or Republicans ever again.
He later got them everything they wanted, and they have since endorsed him.
Edit: he later got them the sick days they wanted, on top of pushing through the contract that only a handful of the 12 unions hadn't ratified. I guess it's not technically "everything they wanted" but it's certainly more than the unions that ratified the agreement were expecting.
I missed the part where they got everything they wanted. did I read too fast?
He got the contract that the unions were about to strike for agreed to. I agree that it's shitty as hell to force them not to strike and I was furious with Biden too, but it seems like the Unions are happy with the results of his actions now so I see no reason I should continue to actively hold that against him.
Second paragraph: "We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement"
that doesn't say they got everything, just that they got a new better contract.
You're right, "On deadline day, the parties reached an agreement on an updated contract that included the biggest wage increases in 47 years. Over the next several weeks, while acknowledging that the agreement was less than perfect, the IBEW and several of its fellow coalition unions voted to ratify the agreement. A handful of others, however, did not, instead threatening a December freight rail strike."
Biden enforced this agreement despite only some of the 12 unions voting to ratify it, and then worked behind the scenes to get them the extra short notice sick days too. Nobody ever gets everything, but this certainly sounds like getting something that about half of the unions ratified anyways, plus more sick days. How can you discount getting them a better contract just because it wasn't absolutely everything they asked for? It's still a vast improvement.
it’s certainly more than the unions that ratified the agreement were expecting.
what makes you think that?
Because the short notice sick days weren't in the agreement that some of the unions ratified. That was on top of the agreement that he imposed on them, which some of them had already ratified as written. I'm not happy that he did that, I think they should've been allowed to go on strike anyways and get all that they could from management, but at least he didn't just force it on them and then leave it at that.
just because it wasn't in the agreement doesn't mean they weren't expecting more.
IBEW do not represent rail workers, only a small amount. Railroaders are not happy with the deal they got.
There were 11 other unions involved. Their members (the site said they combine for over 100k workers) got these benefits too, they negotiated together for a deal that would affect all of them.
I get hating Biden, I really do. He's not nearly far enough left for me either. But do you have anything to back that claim up besides your word?
There were 11 other unions involved
Then why haven't they made the same statements praising Biden? IBEW represents a small amount of rail workers and their leadership is corrupt. Most members on r/railroading are not happy with the deal they got, but you don't care about them.
they negotiated together for a deal that would affect all of them.
Which is?
But do you have anything to back that claim up besides your word?
Biden made it illegal for rail workers to strike, fuck this DNC shill nonsense. I will not be voting for Democrats or Republicans ever again.
He later got them everything they wanted, and they have since endorsed him.
Edit: he later got them the sick days they wanted, on top of pushing through the contract that only a handful of the 12 unions hadn't ratified. I guess it's not technically "everything they wanted" but it's certainly more than the unions that ratified the agreement were expecting.
that's a lie
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
I missed the part where they got everything they wanted. did I read too fast?
He got the contract that the unions were about to strike for agreed to. I agree that it's shitty as hell to force them not to strike and I was furious with Biden too, but it seems like the Unions are happy with the results of his actions now so I see no reason I should continue to actively hold that against him.
Second paragraph: "We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement"
that doesn't say they got everything, just that they got a new better contract.
You're right, "On deadline day, the parties reached an agreement on an updated contract that included the biggest wage increases in 47 years. Over the next several weeks, while acknowledging that the agreement was less than perfect, the IBEW and several of its fellow coalition unions voted to ratify the agreement. A handful of others, however, did not, instead threatening a December freight rail strike."
Biden enforced this agreement despite only some of the 12 unions voting to ratify it, and then worked behind the scenes to get them the extra short notice sick days too. Nobody ever gets everything, but this certainly sounds like getting something that about half of the unions ratified anyways, plus more sick days. How can you discount getting them a better contract just because it wasn't absolutely everything they asked for? It's still a vast improvement.
I was pushing back on a lie
https://lemmy.world/comment/8648766
Oh stop it
no. i will not stop calling out lies.
what makes you think that?
Because the short notice sick days weren't in the agreement that some of the unions ratified. That was on top of the agreement that he imposed on them, which some of them had already ratified as written. I'm not happy that he did that, I think they should've been allowed to go on strike anyways and get all that they could from management, but at least he didn't just force it on them and then leave it at that.
just because it wasn't in the agreement doesn't mean they weren't expecting more.
He did not. You are supporting our important rail workers only getting 5-7 sick days PER YEAR. Fuck your privileged liberal ass
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
IBEW do not represent rail workers, only a small amount. Railroaders are not happy with the deal they got.
There were 11 other unions involved. Their members (the site said they combine for over 100k workers) got these benefits too, they negotiated together for a deal that would affect all of them.
I get hating Biden, I really do. He's not nearly far enough left for me either. But do you have anything to back that claim up besides your word?
Then why haven't they made the same statements praising Biden? IBEW represents a small amount of rail workers and their leadership is corrupt. Most members on r/railroading are not happy with the deal they got, but you don't care about them.
Which is?
Hypocritical you would say that after claiming 11 unions back the deal. https://www.reddit.com/r/railroading/comments/16sclgc/are_we_still_upset_with_biden_for_our_contracts/
kid named spoiler effect:
ok, but are you voting stein, west, or de la cruz?
Stein, I also support De La Cruz though