The same thing but more FPS. What's not to understand?
The question is who would want one?
If you're a big graphics nerd, who really needs the highest quality everything, you probably have a PC. If you're an average consumer , the PS5 is fine. A PS5 Pro seems unnecessary.
The question is who would want one?
I would, the reasons are simple:
I am a patient gamer
I'm a poor gamer lol (bad streak)
I know there is always gonna be a pro model, or at least an improved slim version, that was not the case this time unfortunately.
I have a PS4 slim so I can hold on with many many games (also have a huge backlog of PS plus games).
PS5 does stuff PC still doesn't.
It's not enough for me to buy games there first, but mostly because of Steam Deck. Even though PC supports pcie4 as well, the fact that it's a standardized hardware feature with built in hardware decompression means games can rely on proper loading bandwidth.
Like what?
I said it in that post.
There is no comp on PC for the loading capability the PS5 has. You can't stream in a world from SSD on PC like you can on PS5.
Even if we were in a world where PCIE 4.0 SSDs faster than PS5's internal SSD (and 5.0s that are twice as fast that are launching this year) didn't exist, what is the PS5 doing with all that speed that couldn't be done on PC?
If you want to say the PS5 and Xbox Series consoles punch above their price bracket, that's very true, specially at launch; but no console has been more capable than a contemporary PC since the Xbox 360 (or arguably the PS3)
Nothing yet.
It's not the hardware that's the problem. (Though again, the built in hardware decompression matters too.) It's the PC libraries for loading being dogshit. Loading speeds on PS5 with everything identical blow doors off of PC.
And again, I already answered the question in the post you're replying to. You can stream the much higher quality game from disk in real time.
Didn't digital foundry report that pc was slightly faster at loading h:fw?
They did
I think that as long as a game doesn't use DirectStorage GPU decompression and you have a good enough CPU to compensate it should be faster.
There was a really good interview with nixxies where they went into a lot of detail about what they did, but it was basically as you said.
"with everything identical"? Yeah if you had a low end PC it wouldn't be very good.
The point is that the settings don't matter. You can't match the load performance of the PS5 on PC.
This will likely eventually change. But right now the PS5's storage stack actually gives cutting edge performance, and it's what makes seamless loading screen free traversal, including fast travel anywhere, possible in current, demanding games.
I don't think that is true? If you had a high end nvme drive you beat ps5 load times on every port released.... Since the PS5 came out?
Is that the same magical loading that Ratchet and Forbidden West DLC had that made it impossible to run anywhere else but then it came to PC where it runs better?
It’s not enough for me to buy games there first, but mostly because of Steam Deck. Even though PC supports pcie4 as well, the fact that it’s a standardized hardware feature with built in hardware decompression means games can rely on proper loading bandwidth.
holy ignorance
Do you mean its ability to stream data directly from the SSD to the GPU without the CPU being involved? Because PCs can do the same thing these days.
Here's the thing though, when you're CPU-limited (and a lot of the games that struggle on current gen are) the upgrade won't do much.
You should expect better resolution, ray tracing and possibly better image quality if devs implement PSSSR and it's better than whatever upscale solution they'd use instead. Maybe if a game is pretty close to hittong its frame target it'll give you a smoother performance but don't expect much last that
Frame generation is a thing.
Did they say they have a frame gen solution or did AMD say FSR 3 frame gen would work on the Pro but not regular?
It's not even an announced product, this is all rumours
If they have something shouldn't it be on the document they shared with developers? I just wouldn't expect it unless you really wanna risk disappointment.
I'm saying that asking for information on the details of what is or is not in it, is a bad idea. because we don't know, you don't know, anyone getting mad and saying one thing or the other is a bad idea.
saying that it can't make higher framerates when framegen exists is a bad idea, until we know it doesn't do that.
i'm so tired of this community, reddit was better. be better.
Frame generation isnt going to help 30 fps console games though. AMD recommends a base of 60 fps, nvidia recommends 45 iirc. Those numbers will improve over time, but likely not fast enough for the ps5/pro gen to use it at 30.
The same thing but more FPS. What's not to understand?
The question is who would want one?
If you're a big graphics nerd, who really needs the highest quality everything, you probably have a PC. If you're an average consumer , the PS5 is fine. A PS5 Pro seems unnecessary.
I would, the reasons are simple:
I am a patient gamer
I'm a poor gamer lol (bad streak)
I know there is always gonna be a pro model, or at least an improved slim version, that was not the case this time unfortunately.
I have a PS4 slim so I can hold on with many many games (also have a huge backlog of PS plus games).
PS5 does stuff PC still doesn't.
It's not enough for me to buy games there first, but mostly because of Steam Deck. Even though PC supports pcie4 as well, the fact that it's a standardized hardware feature with built in hardware decompression means games can rely on proper loading bandwidth.
Like what?
I said it in that post.
There is no comp on PC for the loading capability the PS5 has. You can't stream in a world from SSD on PC like you can on PS5.
Even if we were in a world where PCIE 4.0 SSDs faster than PS5's internal SSD (and 5.0s that are twice as fast that are launching this year) didn't exist, what is the PS5 doing with all that speed that couldn't be done on PC?
If you want to say the PS5 and Xbox Series consoles punch above their price bracket, that's very true, specially at launch; but no console has been more capable than a contemporary PC since the Xbox 360 (or arguably the PS3)
Nothing yet.
It's not the hardware that's the problem. (Though again, the built in hardware decompression matters too.) It's the PC libraries for loading being dogshit. Loading speeds on PS5 with everything identical blow doors off of PC.
And again, I already answered the question in the post you're replying to. You can stream the much higher quality game from disk in real time.
Didn't digital foundry report that pc was slightly faster at loading h:fw?
They did
I think that as long as a game doesn't use DirectStorage GPU decompression and you have a good enough CPU to compensate it should be faster.
There was a really good interview with nixxies where they went into a lot of detail about what they did, but it was basically as you said.
"with everything identical"? Yeah if you had a low end PC it wouldn't be very good.
The point is that the settings don't matter. You can't match the load performance of the PS5 on PC.
This will likely eventually change. But right now the PS5's storage stack actually gives cutting edge performance, and it's what makes seamless loading screen free traversal, including fast travel anywhere, possible in current, demanding games.
I don't think that is true? If you had a high end nvme drive you beat ps5 load times on every port released.... Since the PS5 came out?
Is that the same magical loading that Ratchet and Forbidden West DLC had that made it impossible to run anywhere else but then it came to PC where it runs better?
holy ignorance
Do you mean its ability to stream data directly from the SSD to the GPU without the CPU being involved? Because PCs can do the same thing these days.
Here's the thing though, when you're CPU-limited (and a lot of the games that struggle on current gen are) the upgrade won't do much.
You should expect better resolution, ray tracing and possibly better image quality if devs implement PSSSR and it's better than whatever upscale solution they'd use instead. Maybe if a game is pretty close to hittong its frame target it'll give you a smoother performance but don't expect much last that
Frame generation is a thing.
Did they say they have a frame gen solution or did AMD say FSR 3 frame gen would work on the Pro but not regular?
It's not even an announced product, this is all rumours
If they have something shouldn't it be on the document they shared with developers? I just wouldn't expect it unless you really wanna risk disappointment.
I'm saying that asking for information on the details of what is or is not in it, is a bad idea. because we don't know, you don't know, anyone getting mad and saying one thing or the other is a bad idea.
saying that it can't make higher framerates when framegen exists is a bad idea, until we know it doesn't do that.
i'm so tired of this community, reddit was better. be better.
Frame generation isnt going to help 30 fps console games though. AMD recommends a base of 60 fps, nvidia recommends 45 iirc. Those numbers will improve over time, but likely not fast enough for the ps5/pro gen to use it at 30.