True, but people do things they shouldn't do all the time because they are struggling. Like if your depressed friend flakes on hanging out, that's "shitty behavior" too. Are they are bad person who you should ditch? Or a friend suffering that needs your support? In both cases, it seems to be the latter.
If they need my support, they can ask for my support. They're asking for money.
If you can't open up to me enough to say "I need your help," I don't think we were very good friends in the first place.
So, a depressed person who flakes on hanging out is a bad person you should ditch.
You and I are very different with our friends.
When did I say anything about hanging out? What are you talking about?
You answered the question indirectly. Or intentionally avoided it because you don't want to admit some inconsistency. I figured the former, but maybe I was wrong. So which is it?
I did no such thing. If someone can ask for money remotely, they can ask for help remotely. If they can't ask me for help, and they are rich, and they ask me for money, we obviously are not very good friends, because they clearly don't trust me enough to just ask me for help.
So what about the depressed friend who flakes on hanging out? If they can cancel remotely, they can also ask for help remotely. I don't get why this analogy is just being ignored.
If I think a friend my be suffering I reach out to them to see if they want to talk. I make myself available. I make sure they realize they aren't alone. You think this makes them a bad friend for not asking for your help.
I don't know why you keep bringing up hanging out as if it's relevant.
If a rich person asked me for money, I wouldn't think they were suffering. I have no idea why you think I would believe someone doing that was suffering rather than being insufferable. Because this article says so?
Anyone who is actually my friend knows that the way to get me to help them is to ask me because it's something I make clear all the time.
You're basically telling me I wouldn't be friends with someone I wouldn't be friends with. This is true.
I don’t know why you keep bringing up hanging out as if it’s relevant.
It's entirely relevant because it's the same thing: someone struggling with emotional or mental health acting poorly rather than directly asking for help.
If a rich person asked me for money, I wouldn’t think they were suffering. I have no idea why you think I would believe someone doing that was suffering rather than being insufferable. Because this article says so?
Well, not because the article says so, but because someone who works closely with these people is reporting on why they act that way. What do you expect me to do, take your unsubstantiated opinion above it?
It seems to me this is more about dehumanizing rich people to justify hatred, rather than being honest about the fact that they are human too and might just be suffering when they do something like this.
If someone needs my help and is hanging out with me and doesn't ask me for help, how am I supposed to know?
It seems to me this is more about dehumanizing rich people to justify hatred
OH NO!
Poor rich people! They have it so hard!
If someone needs my help and is hanging out with me and doesn’t ask me for help, how am I supposed to know?
That's the whole point. You aren't. You've just been alerted to this asocial behavior being a sign of someone suffering, so you ask. You just want to assume they are a bad person not worthy of friendship.
Poor rich people! They have it so hard!
Do you honestly need it to be explained that rich people can suffer from mental and emotional problems as well? Taking that away from them is just blatant dehumanization.
Well, if they don't pay attention to me saying "let me know if you need any help," then, again, they're not a very good friend. I can't help it if they don't care enough about what I've told them to just ask me for help. If they asked me for money, again, I wouldn't think "they need help." I get that you would, but I wouldn't.
And sure, rich people can suffer from mental and emotional problems. They also can afford a therapist.
I'm not sure what to say, it's been pointed out that this is kind of like a cry for help, and you still insist on holding it against them. I guess we're still squarely in the time if people seeing mental health issues as personality flaws.
True, but people do things they shouldn't do all the time because they are struggling. Like if your depressed friend flakes on hanging out, that's "shitty behavior" too. Are they are bad person who you should ditch? Or a friend suffering that needs your support? In both cases, it seems to be the latter.
If they need my support, they can ask for my support. They're asking for money.
If you can't open up to me enough to say "I need your help," I don't think we were very good friends in the first place.
So, a depressed person who flakes on hanging out is a bad person you should ditch.
You and I are very different with our friends.
When did I say anything about hanging out? What are you talking about?
You answered the question indirectly. Or intentionally avoided it because you don't want to admit some inconsistency. I figured the former, but maybe I was wrong. So which is it?
I did no such thing. If someone can ask for money remotely, they can ask for help remotely. If they can't ask me for help, and they are rich, and they ask me for money, we obviously are not very good friends, because they clearly don't trust me enough to just ask me for help.
So what about the depressed friend who flakes on hanging out? If they can cancel remotely, they can also ask for help remotely. I don't get why this analogy is just being ignored.
If I think a friend my be suffering I reach out to them to see if they want to talk. I make myself available. I make sure they realize they aren't alone. You think this makes them a bad friend for not asking for your help.
I don't know why you keep bringing up hanging out as if it's relevant.
If a rich person asked me for money, I wouldn't think they were suffering. I have no idea why you think I would believe someone doing that was suffering rather than being insufferable. Because this article says so?
Anyone who is actually my friend knows that the way to get me to help them is to ask me because it's something I make clear all the time.
You're basically telling me I wouldn't be friends with someone I wouldn't be friends with. This is true.
It's entirely relevant because it's the same thing: someone struggling with emotional or mental health acting poorly rather than directly asking for help.
Well, not because the article says so, but because someone who works closely with these people is reporting on why they act that way. What do you expect me to do, take your unsubstantiated opinion above it?
It seems to me this is more about dehumanizing rich people to justify hatred, rather than being honest about the fact that they are human too and might just be suffering when they do something like this.
If someone needs my help and is hanging out with me and doesn't ask me for help, how am I supposed to know?
OH NO!
Poor rich people! They have it so hard!
That's the whole point. You aren't. You've just been alerted to this asocial behavior being a sign of someone suffering, so you ask. You just want to assume they are a bad person not worthy of friendship.
Do you honestly need it to be explained that rich people can suffer from mental and emotional problems as well? Taking that away from them is just blatant dehumanization.
Well, if they don't pay attention to me saying "let me know if you need any help," then, again, they're not a very good friend. I can't help it if they don't care enough about what I've told them to just ask me for help. If they asked me for money, again, I wouldn't think "they need help." I get that you would, but I wouldn't.
And sure, rich people can suffer from mental and emotional problems. They also can afford a therapist.
I'm not sure what to say, it's been pointed out that this is kind of like a cry for help, and you still insist on holding it against them. I guess we're still squarely in the time if people seeing mental health issues as personality flaws.