Yeah I get the sunny references, but the reason you are all thinking the same thing is because y'all acting like Mac. Who to be clear, was a giant PoS for asking the question. It should be a big ass red flag when you emulate the gang.
Making a joke referencing a character on a TV show doesn't make you the same as that character.
I sometimes say "one million dollars" then raise my pinkie to my mouth, but that doesn't mean I want to mass genocide planet earth like Doctor Evil lol
Most of the time, a joke is just a joke.
Do you not think some of the people asking actually want to know?
Well yeah I'm sure some do. Some out of genuine curiosity and some because their ethics go out the window when blood rushes to their dick.
But I'm still not going to jump to the conclusion that people are perverted creeps just because they're making a common pop culture reference.
On the topic of IASIP, I frequently reference the "because of the implication" line. I do so because I find it funny to reference shows I like. Not because I want to buy a boat and coerce women into having sex with me under the perceived threat of violence.
Uh huh.
But what's the joke? Why is it funny? That people are asking for the link? The reason that so many people are making this joke is because they read the headline and wanted to know which site. So they came to the comments, and quoted Mac because his scene is the most well known reference to what they were doing. This isn't like Dr. Evil, Mac heard about revenge porn and wanted to see, and bunch of dorks heard about deepfakes and "joke" about wanting to see.
Are you genuinely new to people referencing TV shows/films they like?
and quoted Mac because his scene is the most well known reference to what they were doing
Or they just referenced a joke on a TV show, seeing that this situation is similar. People make jokes. You don't need to concoct a conspiracy theory that all the jokers aren't actually joking and they're really perverted creeps.
I often reference Sunny's "because of the implication" scene (if you don't know of it I'm sure it's on YouTube). Believe it or not, I do so because I like referencing TV shows I watch, not because I want to trick women into having sex with me on a boat under the perceived threat of violence/murder.
I don't appreciate you making rather awful accusations of people (that they're sex pests), completely baselessly, because they quoted a damn TV show. You can't read minds, you've just jumped to the most evil possible interpretation of what others are doing, rather than the most likely: that they're making a joke.
Maybe you enjoy acting puritanical and holier-than-thou. Or maybe you're just naturally quite cynical and you're assuming the worst in people. Either way it's not very kind.
Maybe you enjoy acting puritanical and holier-than-thou
Honestly, right back at yeah. Calling me a prude is just your way of playing dumb about the situation. Your "holier than thou" is "understanding a joke more than thou".
That they're making a joke
The joke is that their asking. "Because of the implication" and "one million dollars" are over the top because you're not holding the world ransom and you aren't planning to pressure someone into sex. You use those in situation where it doesn't apply and that's the humor.
But clicking a link is absolutely within the realm of possibility. Like, read the damn article. Lots of people were using the site/app, people here were asking for the same reason. Whitewashing it through pop culture doesn't change that they are literally asking for the link.
It's naive to think that anonymous users on lemmy would somehow never deep fake, nor pursue the content. My comment was to shame those tempted to do so, if you wish to think me unkind for that, so be it.
I think you really need to understand that it's a joke.
As I've said so many times, it's not a joke if you are literally asking. If you are in a boat and tell your GF that she shouldn't say no to you because of the implication, then that's not a joke. And if you come to a thread about banned deep fake sites and ask for the link it's not a joke.Even Dennis himself hides behind this logic that "obviously she is in no danger", but that ignores the real threats women have to live with every day. Women don't get to assume that every implication rape threat is a joke because the risk is too great, it always going to be real to the subject without power.
You already admitted in a different comment that some of the people here were looking for a link. So why exactly are you so upset at me? Is your right to assume it'd always a joke out ranked by my concern at yet another way for women to be sexually harassed? Before it was simply any woman who posted nudes online had to know it would be online forever. But now any woman who has ever posted, or hell even went outside where a camera was now runs the risk of her nudes being posted?
But I guess you feeling hurt over "jokes" is the real problem?!? Like seriously, let it tf go. The lame jokes don't need to be defended and I'm not the jolly joy villian you are making me out to be.
Jesus Christ you're even complaining about the joke being performed by an actor in a TV show now. You need help.
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Okay, now you are just taking the piss. The show is satire about horrible people doing horrible things. Absolutely everything the gang does should be criticized. I'm pointing at Dennis, not Glen.
Look, I'm done here and idgaf what you think, but I'll leave you with an idea. Go to a women in your life you trust, mom, GF, sister or whoever and tell them some lady on the internet was upset about deepfakes and you told her it was just a joke.
Exactly. The show is satire and you're getting upset at characters. They aren't real.
Women is plural. "A women" would be "a woman".
Lmao, nice attempt at a strawman, I never said deepfakes are just a joke. I said referencing a joke from a satirical TV show is a joke. Evidently that concept is proving too difficult for you.
Goodbye. I hope you learn to take a joke someday. What a grey and joyless life you must have.
Explain it however you like "some lady on the internet can't take a joke", or give her a link to this thread. Whatever, idc.
But you aren't going to, we both know that.
I'm not going to what?
Yeah. You can't take a joke at all. You're even complaining about TV characters being immoral. It's TV ffs. It's not real.
Mac is not a real person. It is an actor playing a role. He is a work of fiction.
What about those of us who think deep fakes are no different than someone drawing a bad fan porno fiction?
I'd point you to the space episode of Black Mirror.
Personally, don't know. I'm pretty liberal and I'd be flattered if someone had deep fake nudes of me.
But I understand the counter argument.
It's a weird moral conundrum.
The scale and ease of use is the real problem. Anyone who would draw pictures of women they know naked to jerk off to is obviously a creep. But that's a creep who had to spend years of their lives practicing to draw realistic bodies. Not literally any person who happens to have a folder full of their Facebook friends.
Like roll the clock back and pretend this is about the dangers of cars running people over. When there is only a couple cars out there it's easy to say "But what about the horses that run people over", but fast forward to today and death by auto wildly outranks death by horse. Horses and car deaths are still a problem, but citing horses as to why car deaths aren't so bad is ludicrous, disengenerous and asinine
Two things can be a problem, but easily accessible deep faking by anyone with a boner and a spare minute is not the same to someone spending hours over a suacy oil painting.
I would recommend to get some empathy, not bad in general.
To me itâs not about empathy, itâs about doing what you want as long as your not harming anyone.
And I believe if I draw some picture of (letâs say you) and keep it to myself (or with those who consented to seeing said drawing), there is nothing wrong with that.
I doubt you would agree though.
Edit: for future readers, please note that responding to a logic argument with saying âwhat about empathyâ, is actually the logical fallacy âappeal to emotionâ.
Downvote away if you like.
And I believe if I draw some picture of (letâs say you) and keep it to myself (or with those who consented to seeing said drawing), there is nothing wrong with that.
Sure. But that's not what happens with deepfake porn sites? They are public.
Sure. But that's not what happens with deepfake porn sites? They are public.
Wouldnât a content warning take care of that? As long as every user visiting knows they are consenting to see âbad porn drawingsâ, itâs still the situation I originally described.
Sure, what ever helps you masturbate. But again - you can also have empathy with people who it has an effect on, listen to why and how and masturbate to all the other porn out there. But you wont since you lack basic empathy or maybe the whole hurting people is what gets you off in the first place. Not judging.
But you wont since you lack basic empathy
Donât know where I claimed this or implied this.
Idk how you could possibly know or judge that someone has or doesnât have empathy for other human beings while discussing personal freedoms that donât affect others.
I guess strawman is the only way to respond to simple logic of âif your actions donât hurt anyone, itâs fineâ
Iâm good with ending this convo here, have a nice day.
Not seeing how your actions are hurting others, despite them even telling you - is mostly related to lack of empathy. Not that complicated, just simple logic.
Again, creating said artwork would be the action which does not hurt anyone.
Your probably claiming others would use said artwork to hurt people.
That sucks and I donât support that. But imo one person doing something wrong is on them, it doesnât make the artwork creator who did nothing wrong guilty.
If I were to make a hammer and sell it, then someone else uses the hammer to kill someone, I wouldnât be guilty.
Dude, I thought you left?
Your probably claiming others would use said artwork to hurt people.
Again if you would have empathy you could just listen to people, what and how they are hurt by deepfakes and understand what the problem is. Since you don't have empathy, nothing I will tell you would make any sense for you.
Dude, I thought you left?
Your right, the last few comments have been going in circles and Iâm probably wasting my time. Will leave this bad faith argument now. Doubt you will ever know what an appeal emotional logical fallacy is.
Still here?
Doubt you will ever know what an appeal emotional logical fallacy is.
Again, we are talking about empathy and you clearly show that you don't get it. Which was my point to begin with. Sorry mate to be the one bringing you the news.
It's not about what you think, if a future employeer doing extensive checks on you thinks it's real then that can have real world consequences for you.
Also you are thinking about deepfakes of today and not the deepfakes of 5 years from now or 10 years from now. It will get to a point where no one will be able to tell if they are fake or real.
ITT: Assholes asking "ironically" for deepfakes.
Yeah I get the sunny references, but the reason you are all thinking the same thing is because y'all acting like Mac. Who to be clear, was a giant PoS for asking the question. It should be a big ass red flag when you emulate the gang.
Making a joke referencing a character on a TV show doesn't make you the same as that character.
I sometimes say "one million dollars" then raise my pinkie to my mouth, but that doesn't mean I want to mass genocide planet earth like Doctor Evil lol
Most of the time, a joke is just a joke.
Do you not think some of the people asking actually want to know?
Well yeah I'm sure some do. Some out of genuine curiosity and some because their ethics go out the window when blood rushes to their dick.
But I'm still not going to jump to the conclusion that people are perverted creeps just because they're making a common pop culture reference.
On the topic of IASIP, I frequently reference the "because of the implication" line. I do so because I find it funny to reference shows I like. Not because I want to buy a boat and coerce women into having sex with me under the perceived threat of violence.
Uh huh.
But what's the joke? Why is it funny? That people are asking for the link? The reason that so many people are making this joke is because they read the headline and wanted to know which site. So they came to the comments, and quoted Mac because his scene is the most well known reference to what they were doing. This isn't like Dr. Evil, Mac heard about revenge porn and wanted to see, and bunch of dorks heard about deepfakes and "joke" about wanting to see.
Are you genuinely new to people referencing TV shows/films they like?
Or they just referenced a joke on a TV show, seeing that this situation is similar. People make jokes. You don't need to concoct a conspiracy theory that all the jokers aren't actually joking and they're really perverted creeps.
I often reference Sunny's "because of the implication" scene (if you don't know of it I'm sure it's on YouTube). Believe it or not, I do so because I like referencing TV shows I watch, not because I want to trick women into having sex with me on a boat under the perceived threat of violence/murder.
I don't appreciate you making rather awful accusations of people (that they're sex pests), completely baselessly, because they quoted a damn TV show. You can't read minds, you've just jumped to the most evil possible interpretation of what others are doing, rather than the most likely: that they're making a joke.
Maybe you enjoy acting puritanical and holier-than-thou. Or maybe you're just naturally quite cynical and you're assuming the worst in people. Either way it's not very kind.
Honestly, right back at yeah. Calling me a prude is just your way of playing dumb about the situation. Your "holier than thou" is "understanding a joke more than thou".
The joke is that their asking. "Because of the implication" and "one million dollars" are over the top because you're not holding the world ransom and you aren't planning to pressure someone into sex. You use those in situation where it doesn't apply and that's the humor.
But clicking a link is absolutely within the realm of possibility. Like, read the damn article. Lots of people were using the site/app, people here were asking for the same reason. Whitewashing it through pop culture doesn't change that they are literally asking for the link.
It's naive to think that anonymous users on lemmy would somehow never deep fake, nor pursue the content. My comment was to shame those tempted to do so, if you wish to think me unkind for that, so be it.
I think you really need to understand that it's a joke.
As I've said so many times, it's not a joke if you are literally asking. If you are in a boat and tell your GF that she shouldn't say no to you because of the implication, then that's not a joke. And if you come to a thread about banned deep fake sites and ask for the link it's not a joke.Even Dennis himself hides behind this logic that "obviously she is in no danger", but that ignores the real threats women have to live with every day. Women don't get to assume that every implication rape threat is a joke because the risk is too great, it always going to be real to the subject without power.
You already admitted in a different comment that some of the people here were looking for a link. So why exactly are you so upset at me? Is your right to assume it'd always a joke out ranked by my concern at yet another way for women to be sexually harassed? Before it was simply any woman who posted nudes online had to know it would be online forever. But now any woman who has ever posted, or hell even went outside where a camera was now runs the risk of her nudes being posted?
But I guess you feeling hurt over "jokes" is the real problem?!? Like seriously, let it tf go. The lame jokes don't need to be defended and I'm not the jolly joy villian you are making me out to be.
Jesus Christ you're even complaining about the joke being performed by an actor in a TV show now. You need help.
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Okay, now you are just taking the piss. The show is satire about horrible people doing horrible things. Absolutely everything the gang does should be criticized. I'm pointing at Dennis, not Glen.
Look, I'm done here and idgaf what you think, but I'll leave you with an idea. Go to a women in your life you trust, mom, GF, sister or whoever and tell them some lady on the internet was upset about deepfakes and you told her it was just a joke.
Exactly. The show is satire and you're getting upset at characters. They aren't real.
Women is plural. "A women" would be "a woman".
Lmao, nice attempt at a strawman, I never said deepfakes are just a joke. I said referencing a joke from a satirical TV show is a joke. Evidently that concept is proving too difficult for you.
Goodbye. I hope you learn to take a joke someday. What a grey and joyless life you must have.
Explain it however you like "some lady on the internet can't take a joke", or give her a link to this thread. Whatever, idc.
But you aren't going to, we both know that.
I'm not going to what?
Yeah. You can't take a joke at all. You're even complaining about TV characters being immoral. It's TV ffs. It's not real.
Mac is not a real person. It is an actor playing a role. He is a work of fiction.
What about those of us who think deep fakes are no different than someone drawing a bad fan porno fiction?
I'd point you to the space episode of Black Mirror.
Personally, don't know. I'm pretty liberal and I'd be flattered if someone had deep fake nudes of me.
But I understand the counter argument.
It's a weird moral conundrum.
The scale and ease of use is the real problem. Anyone who would draw pictures of women they know naked to jerk off to is obviously a creep. But that's a creep who had to spend years of their lives practicing to draw realistic bodies. Not literally any person who happens to have a folder full of their Facebook friends.
Like roll the clock back and pretend this is about the dangers of cars running people over. When there is only a couple cars out there it's easy to say "But what about the horses that run people over", but fast forward to today and death by auto wildly outranks death by horse. Horses and car deaths are still a problem, but citing horses as to why car deaths aren't so bad is ludicrous, disengenerous and asinine
Two things can be a problem, but easily accessible deep faking by anyone with a boner and a spare minute is not the same to someone spending hours over a suacy oil painting.
I would recommend to get some empathy, not bad in general.
To me itâs not about empathy, itâs about doing what you want as long as your not harming anyone.
And I believe if I draw some picture of (letâs say you) and keep it to myself (or with those who consented to seeing said drawing), there is nothing wrong with that.
I doubt you would agree though.
Edit: for future readers, please note that responding to a logic argument with saying âwhat about empathyâ, is actually the logical fallacy âappeal to emotionâ.
Downvote away if you like.
Sure. But that's not what happens with deepfake porn sites? They are public.
Wouldnât a content warning take care of that? As long as every user visiting knows they are consenting to see âbad porn drawingsâ, itâs still the situation I originally described.
Sure, what ever helps you masturbate. But again - you can also have empathy with people who it has an effect on, listen to why and how and masturbate to all the other porn out there. But you wont since you lack basic empathy or maybe the whole hurting people is what gets you off in the first place. Not judging.
Donât know where I claimed this or implied this.
Idk how you could possibly know or judge that someone has or doesnât have empathy for other human beings while discussing personal freedoms that donât affect others.
I guess strawman is the only way to respond to simple logic of âif your actions donât hurt anyone, itâs fineâ
Iâm good with ending this convo here, have a nice day.
Not seeing how your actions are hurting others, despite them even telling you - is mostly related to lack of empathy. Not that complicated, just simple logic.
Again, creating said artwork would be the action which does not hurt anyone.
Your probably claiming others would use said artwork to hurt people.
That sucks and I donât support that. But imo one person doing something wrong is on them, it doesnât make the artwork creator who did nothing wrong guilty.
If I were to make a hammer and sell it, then someone else uses the hammer to kill someone, I wouldnât be guilty.
Dude, I thought you left?
Again if you would have empathy you could just listen to people, what and how they are hurt by deepfakes and understand what the problem is. Since you don't have empathy, nothing I will tell you would make any sense for you.
Your right, the last few comments have been going in circles and Iâm probably wasting my time. Will leave this bad faith argument now. Doubt you will ever know what an appeal emotional logical fallacy is.
Still here?
Again, we are talking about empathy and you clearly show that you don't get it. Which was my point to begin with. Sorry mate to be the one bringing you the news.
It's not about what you think, if a future employeer doing extensive checks on you thinks it's real then that can have real world consequences for you.
Also you are thinking about deepfakes of today and not the deepfakes of 5 years from now or 10 years from now. It will get to a point where no one will be able to tell if they are fake or real.