Why there is so much communist propaganda on lemmy?

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Even from people that never lived in a communist state

edit: im 17 and i hate communism

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American says communism and means socialism

the hardest test for any American

define communism

define propaganda

use both in a sentence that applies to the agreed definitions

How would you define communism? I hear so many different definitions and find it hard to differentiate which one is accurate.

The original definition is a community where private property is not a thing. Private property is when an individual can control the land, tools, and knowledge people need to survive. Private property is factories, not your toothbrush.

Most pro USSR, PRC, or Cuba leftists believe those countries governments controlling all or the vast majority of private property constitutes communism. Some think these countries are socialist and working their way to communism.

Many anti-communist people don't really understand how these countries work specifically. All their ideas of what communism is are based on how they view the above communist countries.

Finally right wingers will describe California as communist because they have social programs and higher taxes than some states. Basically if the government is intervening in the market by supplying a service or good directly to a citizen that's communism.

From what I've observed most people lie somewhere on this spectrum of definition.

I was kidding around, and part of the joke is how pointless the definition is:

communism: that the assets held by a body are indivisible across the individuals of that body when the assets in question are required to engage in production.

Thereby any definition of "body", "asset" and "production" can be used to define specific types and scopes of a communist ideology.

propaganda: a piece or collection of communications that has the primary purpose to persuade.

communist propaganda: a communication to persuade the reader to share the means of production across a collective.

American says communism and means conservative democrat or Trump Republican, depending on who is saying it.

AES barely even registers, except for the occasional "Why don't you move to Vuvuzela!"

I've always seen communism as a subclass of socialism, where socialism is the goal of classless, stateless society in which the public owns the means of production and distribute based on needs. Whereas communism is a way of attaining this goal, characterized by its materialistic focus and being revolutionary.

I know this differs from a lot of other uses for the terminology, but is there really a single definition of socialism that rules over the others (or communism for that matter, and does it even matter since they describe different important things)?

You literally have it backwards. Communism in the context of a definition of society is the classless state. Socialism is the transitory stage (also known as a dictatorship of the proletariat).

Reminder that this is specifically when talking about state/society. If you are mentioning ideology then a communist person or a socialist might have significant diversion of views/goals. Yes, it can be confusing.

Excerpt from Wikipedia:

As one of the many types of socialism, communism became the dominant political tendency, along with social democracy, within the international socialist movement by the early 1920s.[34]

Excerpt from ProleWiki:

Its modern usage is almost always traced back to Karl Marx's usage of the term where he introduced the concept of scientific socialism alongside Friedrich Engels. The theory of scientific socialism described communism not as an idealistic, perfect society but rather as a stage of development taking place after a long, political process of class struggle. Marx, however, used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably and he drew no distinction between the two. Lenin was the first person to give distinct meanings to the terms socialism and communism. The socialism/communism of Marx was now known simply as communism, and Marx's "transitional phase" was to be known as socialism.

I knew about this. I just do not really think anyone claiming superiority based on "define socialism and communism" as someone to be taken seriously, given that terminology is dependant on context and definitions on a base level are arbitrary if taking an axiomatic approach to theory.

Ah yes, that’s perfectly valid, the terms will be different on context (which is why I specified the state context).

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