The economic policy of those countries is socialism.
They are also democracies.
Like if I asked what kind of car you had you could say "Honda" or "a red Honda".
Their not two different answers because one included unrelated information.
If someone asks what kind of government they have, "democratic socialism" would be correct, because only giving one of the main axises wouldn't tell the full story.
But since we're talking economic systems, the democratic part is superfluous
Socialism requires that the workers have democratic control over the means of production. Nordic countries are not socialist, the working class isn't in control there.
Socialism does not refer to welfare states, but control of the Means of Production by the Proletariat.
I don’t know why you’re doubling down on your confident incorrectness when you don’t even have Wikipedia-level understanding. The very first sentence from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.
And obviously the question who the state allows to own the means of production is very much political. Economics is politics.
None, as any communist country will tell you. They are socialist states working toward communism, meaning a classless society, and, by their own theory of state, a stateless society.
I mean, you’re asking about two separate political axis: economy, and control.
You may not realize that these are in no way orthogonal to each other, but the bourgeoisie certainly do, because they own the means of production, and they use the state to enforce the private ownership that perpetuates their control over the proletariat.
Because countries that call themselves communist are just dictators lying about it...
I mean, you're asking about two separate political axis: economy, and control.
Look at the Nordic countries and even most Western Europeans and you'll see socialist countries that aren't authoritarian.
Theres not a single communist country tho. So when you talk like there are, people assume you have no clue what you're talking about about.
Like, what countries do you think are communist?
The nordic countries are not socialist:
What about social democracy / democratic socialism / the Nordic model? Isn't Sweden socialist?
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Bruh...
Socialism is economic policy...
The economic policy of those countries is socialism.
They are also democracies.
Like if I asked what kind of car you had you could say "Honda" or "a red Honda".
Their not two different answers because one included unrelated information.
If someone asks what kind of government they have, "democratic socialism" would be correct, because only giving one of the main axises wouldn't tell the full story.
But since we're talking economic systems, the democratic part is superfluous
Socialism requires that the workers have democratic control over the means of production. Nordic countries are not socialist, the working class isn't in control there.
Socialism does not refer to welfare states, but control of the Means of Production by the Proletariat.
I don’t know why you’re doubling down on your confident incorrectness when you don’t even have Wikipedia-level understanding. The very first sentence from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
And obviously the question who the state allows to own the means of production is very much political. Economics is politics.
None, as any communist country will tell you. They are socialist states working toward communism, meaning a classless society, and, by their own theory of state, a stateless society.
You may not realize that these are in no way orthogonal to each other, but the bourgeoisie certainly do, because they own the means of production, and they use the state to enforce the private ownership that perpetuates their control over the proletariat.