Last major Arabic-style mosque in China loses its domes

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Last major Arabic-style mosque in China loses its domes
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Maybe they should work on demolishing some of those ghost cities instead...

There are people there now:

Reporting in a 2018, Shepard revisited a number of the so called "ghost cities" several years his book and noted that, "Today, China’s so-called ghost cities that were so prevalently showcased in 2013 and 2014 are no longer global intrigues. They have filled up to the point of being functioning, normal cities ... "

Oh, well, if "Justapedia" says so...

(The fuck is this website?)

I was just reading about it. It’s another web encyclopedia trying to incorporate other encyclopedias to compete against Wikipedia’s biases.

This is an archived article from the guy who first wrote about the “ghost cities.”

Yes. "Biases."

https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/zbfmvr/justapedia_a_farright_fork_of_the_englishlanguage/

I was reading about it too.

But hey, Elon Musk and writers at Quillette like it, so there's that.

I’ll reserve judgment until I find more information. It could be a good thing, Wikipedia does have problems with editors changing articles, or it could be a bad thing to proliferate misinformation. That’s why I linked the Reuters article.

Edit: I read through the page on Fascism. It’s crap, runaway.

Someone already showed that the linked article was outdated nonsense almost the minute it was published.

But if you want more, take a look at the pictures at the top of their page on fascism, note the non-fascists in the picture and the conspicuous absence of Francisco Franco.

https://justapedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Edit: Furthermore- https://x.com/JustapediaF/status/1757941868778700982

Someone already showed that the linked article was outdated nonsense almost the minute it was published.

Where? Everything I’m reading says that most of the new state-level areas are inhabited and not “ghost cities.” Unless Ohio State is wrong.

It's really not hard to go through a conversation chain.

https://lemmy.world/comment/10300436

But I notice you ignored all the stuff about the source being far right, so I'm guessing none of this actually matters to you anyway.

I care about the facts and the truth, not the source, as should you.

But I notice you ignored all the left-wing sources I provided that demonstrates the new areas in China are populated and not “ghost cities,” so I'm guessing none of this actually matters to you anyway.

This is what you said which started this conversation:

I was just reading about it. It’s another web encyclopedia trying to incorporate other encyclopedias to compete against Wikipedia’s biases.

I showed you that the whole thing is about Wikipedia not having a right-wing bias.

I thought you cared about facts and truth?

I do. I admitted Justapedia was a biased source:

Edit: I read through the [page](https://justapedia.org/wiki/Fascism) on Fascism. It’s crap, runaway.

but the references linked were credible.

I’ll admit when I’m wrong, will you?

Five studies, including two from Harvard researchers, have found a left-wing bias at Wikipedia:

  • A Harvard study found Wikipedia articles are more left-wing than Encyclopedia Britannica.
  • Another paper from the same Harvard researchers found left-wing editors are more active and partisan on the site.
  • 2018 analysis found top-cited news outlets on Wikipedia are mainly left-wing.
  • Another analysis using AllSides Media Bias Ratings™ found that pages on American politicians cite mostly left-wing news outlets.
  • American academics foundconservative editors are 6 times more likely to be sanctioned in Wikipedia policy enforcement. source

When did I say Wikipedia didn't have a bias? Please quote me.

Again, if you care about the truth, you'll show where I made that claim that you think you're refuting.

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Is this satire? Ghost cities really just started to seriously get reported on in 2018 and subsequently more each following year. Also what the heck even is Justapedia? The opinion piece that the "2018 onwards" section is based on was released in 2018 itself and was proven wrong almost immediately. It's outdated. Frankly, the section doesn't even look like it belongs on the page and is phrased intentionally devious. It's completely wrong.

Justapedia is crap, but the article it references is real and from the guy that first wrote about the ghost cities.

That’s even worse. This is almost a decade old and got absolutely nothing to do with the housing market today. Are we really pretending nothing has changed since 2015? Especially in China? Seriously? The argument in the beginning was precisely about ghost cities 2018 onwards and neither of you provided a source that‘s remotely recent or accurate today.

Whatever dude. People are just mad that they’ve been misinformed. It happens to all of us.

While most of these so-called ghost cities have failed to live up to their original promise, very few of them have actually failed completely and are hardly deserving of the nickname that’s been assigned to them. They may have to go back to the drawing board and set some more realistic goals. Most of them should become fully functioning cities eventually. All they need is a little more time.

The opinion piece that the "2018 onwards" section is based on was released in 2018 itself and was proven wrong almost immediately.

Which piece has been proven wrong?

This one, this one, or this one?

You didn’t just make that up to confirm your bias, did you? Can you please provide evidence that the state-level new area is unpopulated? Because my search says the population is 5.68 million.

The very source of the page you just sent refers to an article from 2018. Do you understand there are cited sources? Did you not bother checking them?

I invite anyone to verify that the “ghost cities,” are indeed, inhabited. Why do people choose to fight battles that are easily fact-checked. Confirmation bias is a helluva drug.

China's property glut is being eaten up by the rural-urban migration. It's not a static demand market.

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