I think they will get a percentage of the "never Trump" section of the Republican party. The real question is what that percentage of the Republican party actually is, as admitting that currently can open people's worlds to a deluge of toxicity/ostracizing.
as much as they might (or might not) hate Trump, Republicans are still going to vote the party line
Why would they vote Demonrat when they could vote libertarian or RFK Jr?
Because the "never Trump" part of the Republican party knows that a vote for anyone but Biden helps Trump.
And it's probably not a huge percentage, but it is a percentage Trump is going to need to contend with. But that is why Trump's campaign contributors are also funding RFK Jr's campaign, as they need him to get the "never Trump" crowd.
Because they know both of those options are terrible
These are Republicans we're talking about. If terrible options were a disqualifier, then when would they ever vote?
I think they will get a percentage of the “never Trump” section of the Republican party.
You're both right. Any percentage of zero is zero.
I’m not so sure. I think it’s established that the percentage of Republicans who won’t vote for Trump is a lot higher than the percentage that will admit to it in front of their peers.
All we need is a few %, low single digits.
Your uncertainty doesn't have bearing here. There is a preponderance of evidence showing that since 2016 (and before), there number of 'swing' voters has diminished to basically nothing.
Neither Trump nor Biden are actually running against each other , because no voters are going to be converted from one side to the other.
They are both running against "the couch", in that whoever can convince enough of their voters that the election is worth showing up for, will win.
Also, if you were a Republican, why wouldn't you vote for Trump? He delivered, in one way or another, on all the major policy goals of the base. For the Republican agenda, he's been the most effective president since Reagan.
Bidens camp is in a fever dream with this strategy. And I agree with the article. it is their strategy.
They are both running against "the couch", in that whoever can convince enough of their voters that the election is worth showing up for, will win.
Yep, which is why we see a massive number of people around here who are actively trying to depress Democratic turnout by complaining about Biden and the Dems. A whole bunch of alleged leftists really don't seem like they mind another Trump presidency since they aren't, after all, trying to convince voters to vote against that.
Bidens camp is in a fever dream with this strategy.
Oh. Huh. Imagine that.
Also, if you were a Republican, why wouldn't you vote for Trump? He delivered, in one way or another, on all the major policy goals of the base.
You fucking what? He got three SCOTUS justices and tax breaks for billionaires and...?
He tanked the economy and killed over a million with his handling of COVID, the wall didn't get built, Mexico didn't pay for any of the repairs that did, Hillary has -34 felonies to her name, his trade war with China didn't bring back manufacturing, Russia was emboldened by his term, American global superiority was damaged by his garbage foreign policy, fossil fuel usage is continuing to decline in favor of renewables...
So other than showing bigoted racists that it's okay to be a loudmouth bigoted racist in public (which I will admit is a Republican goal) what "major policy goals" did he actually achieve?
For the Republican agenda, he's been the most effective president since Reagan
Yeah, I would argue that he's the least effective GOP president since Regan.
He tanked the economy and killed over a million with his handling of COVID, the wall didn’t get built, Mexico didn’t pay for any of the repairs that did, Hillary has -34 felonies to her name, his trade war with China didn’t bring back manufacturing, Russia was emboldened by his term, American global superiority was damaged by his garbage foreign policy, fossil fuel usage is continuing to decline in favor of renewables…
I agree with all that. But you and I don't live in the same world that Republican voters do. They litterally live in a completly different media and 'story of history' landscape. You obviously do, and should, despise all of the things that Trump did while he was president. But there is no denying that these were the things that Republican voters wanted him to do. And he gets to blame any failures on Democrats or the deep state or whatever other kookie bullshit they come up with.
You can and should hate the Republican agenda, but you shouldn't put blinders on to suggest that Trump didn't pursue it aggressively, and actually accomplish much of it. He got tax cuts for billionaires. He got the Supreme Court, and thus Roe. He at least tried to do almost all of the things he said he would do. You should disagree with all of those things, but you are not a Republican voter. Neither am I. But we should be clear headed about what Republican voters want, especially considering how horrible it all is.
But at least they get to show progressives who they prefer.
Of which they'll get 0
I think they will get a percentage of the "never Trump" section of the Republican party. The real question is what that percentage of the Republican party actually is, as admitting that currently can open people's worlds to a deluge of toxicity/ostracizing.
as much as they might (or might not) hate Trump, Republicans are still going to vote the party line
Why would they vote Demonrat when they could vote libertarian or RFK Jr?
Because the "never Trump" part of the Republican party knows that a vote for anyone but Biden helps Trump.
And it's probably not a huge percentage, but it is a percentage Trump is going to need to contend with. But that is why Trump's campaign contributors are also funding RFK Jr's campaign, as they need him to get the "never Trump" crowd.
Also funny enough there is a wiki page: List of Republicans who oppose the Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign
First person on that list when asked if he would vote for Biden: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4497046-romney-voting-trump-over-biden-absolutely-not/amp/
Because they know both of those options are terrible
These are Republicans we're talking about. If terrible options were a disqualifier, then when would they ever vote?
You're both right. Any percentage of zero is zero.
I’m not so sure. I think it’s established that the percentage of Republicans who won’t vote for Trump is a lot higher than the percentage that will admit to it in front of their peers.
All we need is a few %, low single digits.
Your uncertainty doesn't have bearing here. There is a preponderance of evidence showing that since 2016 (and before), there number of 'swing' voters has diminished to basically nothing.
Neither Trump nor Biden are actually running against each other , because no voters are going to be converted from one side to the other.
They are both running against "the couch", in that whoever can convince enough of their voters that the election is worth showing up for, will win.
Also, if you were a Republican, why wouldn't you vote for Trump? He delivered, in one way or another, on all the major policy goals of the base. For the Republican agenda, he's been the most effective president since Reagan.
Bidens camp is in a fever dream with this strategy. And I agree with the article. it is their strategy.
Yep, which is why we see a massive number of people around here who are actively trying to depress Democratic turnout by complaining about Biden and the Dems. A whole bunch of alleged leftists really don't seem like they mind another Trump presidency since they aren't, after all, trying to convince voters to vote against that.
Oh. Huh. Imagine that.
You fucking what? He got three SCOTUS justices and tax breaks for billionaires and...?
He tanked the economy and killed over a million with his handling of COVID, the wall didn't get built, Mexico didn't pay for any of the repairs that did, Hillary has -34 felonies to her name, his trade war with China didn't bring back manufacturing, Russia was emboldened by his term, American global superiority was damaged by his garbage foreign policy, fossil fuel usage is continuing to decline in favor of renewables...
So other than showing bigoted racists that it's okay to be a loudmouth bigoted racist in public (which I will admit is a Republican goal) what "major policy goals" did he actually achieve?
Yeah, I would argue that he's the least effective GOP president since Regan.
I agree with all that. But you and I don't live in the same world that Republican voters do. They litterally live in a completly different media and 'story of history' landscape. You obviously do, and should, despise all of the things that Trump did while he was president. But there is no denying that these were the things that Republican voters wanted him to do. And he gets to blame any failures on Democrats or the deep state or whatever other kookie bullshit they come up with.
You can and should hate the Republican agenda, but you shouldn't put blinders on to suggest that Trump didn't pursue it aggressively, and actually accomplish much of it. He got tax cuts for billionaires. He got the Supreme Court, and thus Roe. He at least tried to do almost all of the things he said he would do. You should disagree with all of those things, but you are not a Republican voter. Neither am I. But we should be clear headed about what Republican voters want, especially considering how horrible it all is.
But at least they get to show progressives who they prefer.