Or, you know, trivially circumvent it? Compress media, break up URLs? I don't understand how this could possibly be effective.
It can't be effective. The risk of false-positives is huge.
And all but guaranteed. I know I would protest this, and I'm sure there are enough like me that this would waste a lot of time for police.
Any circumvention argument misses the point.
90% of people won't. The remaining 10% will be flagged and can be scrutinized more manually (without any violence which will get into news). It's the way any surveillance works. Which is why non-backdoored e2e encryption for everyone in everything everywhere and death of centralized services are important to fight surveillance.
It's like flowers covering body parts on photos, we kinda guess what's there. If the whole photo is covered with flowers, that's another story.
Wait till they make TOR illegal and force people to mask TOR traffic to look like HTTPS. Then produce a stream of rubbish alongside said HTTPS traffic so as to fool authorities. Lol at them thinking non-profit tech gurus are going to give them cake
You are answering a comment explaining why this is bullshit. "Gurus" are sufficiently rare to have other kinds of surveillance.
For some reason in every bad event there are plenty of people thinking evil is stupid.
What I'm trying to say is said gurus will build something that the masses can use (to the extent of the masses that know what Threema and Briar are).
My third sentence still applies. Do you realize that the situation presented is one with backdoors on every device and criminal responsibility for bypassing\removing those?
Yes, and this will affect everyone. Which is why I'm hopeful that organisations like the EFF, the TOR browser's foundation, Graphene OS and the general Android community comes up with something that will prevent this. I hope this will push for greater efforts in obfuscation of traffic from TOR, I2P, Freenet, Wireguard and the like along with better education amongst the general population.
You could call me naive though, I suppose. Perhaps I expect too much
Police checks your phone and finds the banned piece of software.
Or your ISP detects traffic from something which is not reported by the backdoor on your phone.
There are so many ways.
There is no technological solution to a power problem. Power solutions to power problems include riots, revolutions, assassinations ...
Oh, so TOR, Graphene OS and Signal will be banned then? We're going towards a dystopia where the police control which apps you can and can't install?
Yeah I see your point
Weβre going towards a dystopia...?
I mean...
I know we are heading in that direction but I didn't expect this to happen so soon. I thought it would be beyond my lifetime
Well, they are talking about "local scanning" or something, so that's what I'd imagine.
I thought they wanted applications to scan and send data to them, but perhaps the Android OS itself isn't too far of a reach
Or, you know, trivially circumvent it? Compress media, break up URLs? I don't understand how this could possibly be effective.
It can't be effective. The risk of false-positives is huge.
And all but guaranteed. I know I would protest this, and I'm sure there are enough like me that this would waste a lot of time for police.
Any circumvention argument misses the point.
90% of people won't. The remaining 10% will be flagged and can be scrutinized more manually (without any violence which will get into news). It's the way any surveillance works. Which is why non-backdoored e2e encryption for everyone in everything everywhere and death of centralized services are important to fight surveillance.
It's like flowers covering body parts on photos, we kinda guess what's there. If the whole photo is covered with flowers, that's another story.
Wait till they make TOR illegal and force people to mask TOR traffic to look like HTTPS. Then produce a stream of rubbish alongside said HTTPS traffic so as to fool authorities. Lol at them thinking non-profit tech gurus are going to give them cake
You are answering a comment explaining why this is bullshit. "Gurus" are sufficiently rare to have other kinds of surveillance.
For some reason in every bad event there are plenty of people thinking evil is stupid.
What I'm trying to say is said gurus will build something that the masses can use (to the extent of the masses that know what Threema and Briar are).
My third sentence still applies. Do you realize that the situation presented is one with backdoors on every device and criminal responsibility for bypassing\removing those?
Yes, and this will affect everyone. Which is why I'm hopeful that organisations like the EFF, the TOR browser's foundation, Graphene OS and the general Android community comes up with something that will prevent this. I hope this will push for greater efforts in obfuscation of traffic from TOR, I2P, Freenet, Wireguard and the like along with better education amongst the general population.
You could call me naive though, I suppose. Perhaps I expect too much
Police checks your phone and finds the banned piece of software.
Or your ISP detects traffic from something which is not reported by the backdoor on your phone.
There are so many ways.
There is no technological solution to a power problem. Power solutions to power problems include riots, revolutions, assassinations ...
Oh, so TOR, Graphene OS and Signal will be banned then? We're going towards a dystopia where the police control which apps you can and can't install?
Yeah I see your point
I mean...
I know we are heading in that direction but I didn't expect this to happen so soon. I thought it would be beyond my lifetime
Well, they are talking about "local scanning" or something, so that's what I'd imagine.
I thought they wanted applications to scan and send data to them, but perhaps the Android OS itself isn't too far of a reach