Why in 2024 do people still believe in religion? (serious)

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Are you this arrogant in condemning everything you don’t understand?

If you truly believe “you have no idea,” then how can you be sure every religion is wrong without understanding them?

I do understand that it is something people made up without any evidence.

I am this arrogant about anything without evidence, if you present evidence, then I have a reason to believe.

Do you not believe in untested hypotheses or theorems? They are also made up without evidence.

The Big Bang itself has evidence, like the rapid expansion of the universe from the universal center in a state of decay toward entropy. According to the laws of physics, the masses that collided could not have spontaneously begun moving towards each other without force. Suggesting they began to move on their own without propulsion is just as made up as a creator pushing them.

I do not, why would I?

nobody asserts that, they assert that we don't know, which is accurate it is religion that asserts it happened through magic

So you don’t believe in any astrophysics? The cosmos is not repeatable phenomena.

Evidence exists for astrophysics

You may not understand science as well as you think you do. There is evidence that supports the theory, but it is untested until it is repeated in a controlled experiment. According to the scientific method, the vast majority of the field of astrophysics remains untested.

i don't assume the vast majority of astrophysics is true

neither do astrophysicists

I didn’t ask that. I asked if you believe in it. That’s all religion is; a belief.

be·lief noun

  1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

"his belief in the value of hard work"

\2. trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.

"I've still got belief in myself"

I don't believe in anything without evidence and if I do I seek to correct that

belief without evidence is a failure of the mind

So you don’t believe any of the untested theories of astrophysics?

This chain of comments is so painful to read. What in the world makes you think astrophysicists believe in anything that isn't tested? And why do you think we do?

Astrophysics is based on observation of non-controlled events, coupled with existing understanding of physical laws and mathematics. Since there are very few controlled experiments in astrophysics, most of it is comprised of untested theories supported by the aforementioned evidence.

I’m just pointing out the difference between theory and applied scientific method on repeatable phenomena. I’m doing so to challenge the assertion from Atheists who state that science has proof of said events. They’re not proven, they’re theoretical.

I believe that insisting to others that there’s no god without proof is just as arrogant as insisting there is. Some may believe science governs the laws we see in existence, others may believe it’s god.

Einstein believed in the possibility of a divine creator that did not concern itself with the fate of mankind, but was responsible for the perfection found in the connection of all things, also known as “Spinoza’s god,” after Baruch Spinoza. There is certainly room for science and religion to coexist, and therefore no need for condemnation of either.

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No neither do astrophysicists, they think it might be true with healthy skepticism

or they have proven it true with observation, neither of which applies to religion

are you confident you're not the arrogant one?

I’m making no claims of the unknown, other than defending the possibility of something that cannot be proven or disproven to exist. You’re openly discrediting the beliefs of others through your own understanding. What sounds more arrogant to you?

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