Israel actually does care about getting aid into the country
Is this why there was the flour massacre and many others around that time, and why the WCK aid workers were killed? Oh yeah and why they said they were stopping all food and water? And why there is much less aid coming in than there was before the war even started, when the need was much lower?
Words are cheap. Israel's actions speak volumes.
Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks? You don't find your reaction a little hysterical?
What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?
Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks?
Don't be an idiot. They were travelling a "safe" route. They were coordinating their position with Israel. They were innocent aid workers. They should have never been killed. Making out it is fine because it's "rare" is ridiculous.
"Hysterical"? No. I used no emotive language (apart from "massacre" which is generally how that event is referred to), I just listed some of the many facts that show Israel is the main problem for aid distribution. Calling this "hysterical" is a pathetic rhetorical trick to make out that that everyone else is "emotional" and you are "rational." It's embarrassing.
Hysterical would be: OMG those innocent aid workers were BUTCHERED by Israel, brutally killed in the prime of their life. This is the worst crime imaginable, can you think of how their parents feel?! These people are monsters, MONSTERS. Worse than Hitler. Like Satan himself. If you didn't cry about this you are SCUM.
I said they "were killed."
Totally emotionless.
What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?
It's totally possible to designate actual safe zones for humanitarian purposes and give these people aid. And "because there is a war" there is much more need for humanitarian aid. Because Israel has destroyed food production, water desalination plants and much more. But obviously you know that.
Israel increased the demand for aid, killed people distributing aid, stops much of the aid from getting in, and makes it impossible to safely get it (e.g. flour massacre) and you have the gall to say they "want" aid in. Give us a fucking break.
Around 500 trucks with aid and other commercial supplies were entering Gaza daily before the conflict, when the enclave was also able to produce much of its food through agriculture and fishing, both of which have nearly entirely ceased.
UNRWA communications director Juliette Touma said both humanitarian and commercial supplies were needed for Gaza because the entire population was now dependent on handouts, which was not sustainable.
Down from 500 to 100 to 200 a day. Rarely (like in the linked story) more, often much less. Never 500 since October, despite calls from around the world.
This is why you fall back on pretending everyone arguing with you is overly emotional or just stupid. The facts are staring all of us in the face and we see it too clearly. You want to pretend this is "normal" but have to really double down in the face of such overwhelming evidence.
Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.
What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades. They would have had Darfur-level starvation twenty years ago and would not exist at all today if not for the charity of the West and, mainly, the charity of Israel.
That charity is the very thing that enables Hamas. The people of Gaza would never tolerate Hamas if they actually had to pay the price of it. You know, the price of diverting all of your country's natural resources to building terror tunnels, turning all of your countries International banking and shipping infrastructure into modalities of international terrorism.
Hey, they would need zero trucks a day if they used their water port or air port, used their international relations to broker commodities trading.
No, they have no interest. They are happy to live on handouts as long as their leadership is fielding mercenaries to kill Jews.
That's who you're defending.
But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.
Isreal destroyed the airport lol, are you serious? What a load of bullshit.
Yeah. They sure did.
Now say why.
But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.
Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.
And did you just ignore the hundreds of killed aid workers I mentioned (and linked a source for) in my last comment? You say just "two accidents" as if that's it.
What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades
Lol I wonder why 🤣
I didn't ignore them at all. I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.
That sort of thing can happen when you volunteer to go to a war.
500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?
Lol I wonder why. 🤣 Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.
I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.
Aid workers. Protected by international law. But also it's only about 250. I guess you are less "impressed" now as if that was the goal, lol.
500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?
Yeah I broke your nose, but why are you ignoring the 205 bones I didn't break? Hopefully you can see how stupid a thing this is to say.
Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.
Please show me anywhere on my entire Lemmy account where I have said anything negative about Jewish people because they are Jewish and not just because the ones in the IDF are DOING WAR CRIMES and also happen to be Jewish. I never even mention this because it does not matter. You can tell this very easily because if you do look through my account you will see me criticise Hamas for their war crimes and the US political establishment for supporting Israel's war crimes.
I am anti asshole. Not anti Jewish.
Yeah I broke your nose, but why are you ignoring the 205 bones I didn't break? Hopefully you can see how stupid a thing this is to say.
That is stupid. Also not what I said.
You made the claim that the aid workers are being targeted.
The analogy would be that I broke one bone by accident and you then wildly accused me having desired to break them all.
But that's the thing, you would be saying it's an accident but if it happens again and again, why should anyone believe you?
I never said they wanted to kill all aid workers. They had just killed 254 by when that report came out. You don't need to intend to kill all for it to be bad
And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me.
It should not have been diverted to support terrorists holding hundreds of hostages underground for months on end. That's why it was a target.
Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves. Policy has consequences. Your gripes are with Gaza's water policy under Hamas, not with people who are defending themselves.
And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel? No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.
And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me
Wasn't trying to impress you. Just clarifying that I was not lying.
Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves.
"Gave all their water to terrorism" - do you even hear yourself? Did the malnourished children "give" their water to Hamas? I can't even believe you're being serious here.
And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel?
Yeah of course I did. It's the middle one here. How exactly does this show it's not been targeted? And if they really aren't targeting them, why have 53% been destroyed or damaged? Are they the worst army at aiming in the world or something?
No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.
Are you saying I'm antisemitic for believing the FACT that Israel has damaged much of the water infrastructure in Gaza?
They are targeting tunnels and terrorists, not water.
How do you know that?
Probability.
Can you elaborate?
Yes. There are 450 mi of tunnels according to Hamas in an area only 25 mi. wide.
It's the most advanced tunnel warfare system in the world. It has been under construction in various forms and stages since the '50s. It was built with money from Iran, North Korea, Qatar, and other beacons of human and civil rights. It is hopelessly intertwined with Gaza's water and electrical systems. It's the crowning achievement of gaza's current government.
It represents all of gaza's lost hope. Gaza would be deep in food right now if maybe they spent money on highways instead of tunnels. If maybe they spent money on ports instead of tunnels, had used their international relations for trade and diplomacy, instead of terror financing and tunneling.
But also due probability, I simply trust the IDF explanation about a million more times than I trust the explanation of anyone who supports Hamas's ideology. It's not only an ideology of violent radicalism, it is also an ideology of a lying and propaganda. According to them, nobody is a terrorist And no buildings are connected to tunnels, every building is a hospital or mosque or home for orphans, and every person is an innocent child.
I'm very sure that Israel has some liars in charge right now. I simply trust the liars from the democracy more than the liars from the fascist religious ethno State, the sole function of which is to proliferate anti-jewish terrorism.
I don't know that this particular building had a tunnel under it. Neither does anyone else here.
But also due probability, I simply trust the IDF explanation about a million more times than I trust the explanation of anyone who supports Hamas's ideology.
So by "probability" you mean that you feel that the IDF is less likely to lie than Hamas?
Despite saying (correctly)
I'm very sure that Israel has some liars in charge right now.
The thing is, we don't need to trust Hamas. There is a good chance there are tunnels under any particular building (far under but let's put a pin in that for now). So when Israel bombs a water facility, there is probably a tunnel at least close by, about 10 m down or whatever.
But the question isn't whether there's a tunnel. The question is what Israel is targeting. The only people who can answer that are those in the Israeli government and military, which you acknowledge contains "some liars." We don't even need to see what Hamas says. So why do you trust their explanation?
Is this why there was the flour massacre and many others around that time, and why the WCK aid workers were killed? Oh yeah and why they said they were stopping all food and water? And why there is much less aid coming in than there was before the war even started, when the need was much lower?
Words are cheap. Israel's actions speak volumes.
Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks? You don't find your reaction a little hysterical?
What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?
Don't be an idiot. They were travelling a "safe" route. They were coordinating their position with Israel. They were innocent aid workers. They should have never been killed. Making out it is fine because it's "rare" is ridiculous.
If you want to play numbers, Israel killed 254 aid workers up to the end of April.
"Hysterical"? No. I used no emotive language (apart from "massacre" which is generally how that event is referred to), I just listed some of the many facts that show Israel is the main problem for aid distribution. Calling this "hysterical" is a pathetic rhetorical trick to make out that that everyone else is "emotional" and you are "rational." It's embarrassing.
Hysterical would be: OMG those innocent aid workers were BUTCHERED by Israel, brutally killed in the prime of their life. This is the worst crime imaginable, can you think of how their parents feel?! These people are monsters, MONSTERS. Worse than Hitler. Like Satan himself. If you didn't cry about this you are SCUM.
I said they "were killed."
Totally emotionless.
It's totally possible to designate actual safe zones for humanitarian purposes and give these people aid. And "because there is a war" there is much more need for humanitarian aid. Because Israel has destroyed food production, water desalination plants and much more. But obviously you know that.
Israel increased the demand for aid, killed people distributing aid, stops much of the aid from getting in, and makes it impossible to safely get it (e.g. flour massacre) and you have the gall to say they "want" aid in. Give us a fucking break.
From here
Down from 500 to 100 to 200 a day. Rarely (like in the linked story) more, often much less. Never 500 since October, despite calls from around the world.
This is why you fall back on pretending everyone arguing with you is overly emotional or just stupid. The facts are staring all of us in the face and we see it too clearly. You want to pretend this is "normal" but have to really double down in the face of such overwhelming evidence.
Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.
What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades. They would have had Darfur-level starvation twenty years ago and would not exist at all today if not for the charity of the West and, mainly, the charity of Israel.
That charity is the very thing that enables Hamas. The people of Gaza would never tolerate Hamas if they actually had to pay the price of it. You know, the price of diverting all of your country's natural resources to building terror tunnels, turning all of your countries International banking and shipping infrastructure into modalities of international terrorism.
Hey, they would need zero trucks a day if they used their water port or air port, used their international relations to broker commodities trading.
No, they have no interest. They are happy to live on handouts as long as their leadership is fielding mercenaries to kill Jews.
That's who you're defending.
But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.
Isreal destroyed the airport lol, are you serious? What a load of bullshit.
Yeah. They sure did.
Now say why.
Please read: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239
And did you just ignore the hundreds of killed aid workers I mentioned (and linked a source for) in my last comment? You say just "two accidents" as if that's it.
Lol I wonder why 🤣
I didn't ignore them at all. I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.
That sort of thing can happen when you volunteer to go to a war.
500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?
Lol I wonder why. 🤣 Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.
Aid workers. Protected by international law. But also it's only about 250. I guess you are less "impressed" now as if that was the goal, lol.
Yeah I broke your nose, but why are you ignoring the 205 bones I didn't break? Hopefully you can see how stupid a thing this is to say.
Please show me anywhere on my entire Lemmy account where I have said anything negative about Jewish people because they are Jewish and not just because the ones in the IDF are DOING WAR CRIMES and also happen to be Jewish. I never even mention this because it does not matter. You can tell this very easily because if you do look through my account you will see me criticise Hamas for their war crimes and the US political establishment for supporting Israel's war crimes.
I am anti asshole. Not anti Jewish.
That is stupid. Also not what I said.
You made the claim that the aid workers are being targeted.
The analogy would be that I broke one bone by accident and you then wildly accused me having desired to break them all.
But that's the thing, you would be saying it's an accident but if it happens again and again, why should anyone believe you?
I never said they wanted to kill all aid workers. They had just killed 254 by when that report came out. You don't need to intend to kill all for it to be bad
And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me.
It should not have been diverted to support terrorists holding hundreds of hostages underground for months on end. That's why it was a target.
Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves. Policy has consequences. Your gripes are with Gaza's water policy under Hamas, not with people who are defending themselves.
And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel? No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.
Wasn't trying to impress you. Just clarifying that I was not lying.
"Gave all their water to terrorism" - do you even hear yourself? Did the malnourished children "give" their water to Hamas? I can't even believe you're being serious here.
Yeah of course I did. It's the middle one here. How exactly does this show it's not been targeted? And if they really aren't targeting them, why have 53% been destroyed or damaged? Are they the worst army at aiming in the world or something?
Are you saying I'm antisemitic for believing the FACT that Israel has damaged much of the water infrastructure in Gaza?
They are targeting tunnels and terrorists, not water.
How do you know that?
Probability.
Can you elaborate?
Yes. There are 450 mi of tunnels according to Hamas in an area only 25 mi. wide.
It's the most advanced tunnel warfare system in the world. It has been under construction in various forms and stages since the '50s. It was built with money from Iran, North Korea, Qatar, and other beacons of human and civil rights. It is hopelessly intertwined with Gaza's water and electrical systems. It's the crowning achievement of gaza's current government.
It represents all of gaza's lost hope. Gaza would be deep in food right now if maybe they spent money on highways instead of tunnels. If maybe they spent money on ports instead of tunnels, had used their international relations for trade and diplomacy, instead of terror financing and tunneling.
But also due probability, I simply trust the IDF explanation about a million more times than I trust the explanation of anyone who supports Hamas's ideology. It's not only an ideology of violent radicalism, it is also an ideology of a lying and propaganda. According to them, nobody is a terrorist And no buildings are connected to tunnels, every building is a hospital or mosque or home for orphans, and every person is an innocent child.
I'm very sure that Israel has some liars in charge right now. I simply trust the liars from the democracy more than the liars from the fascist religious ethno State, the sole function of which is to proliferate anti-jewish terrorism.
I don't know that this particular building had a tunnel under it. Neither does anyone else here.
So by "probability" you mean that you feel that the IDF is less likely to lie than Hamas?
Despite saying (correctly)
The thing is, we don't need to trust Hamas. There is a good chance there are tunnels under any particular building (far under but let's put a pin in that for now). So when Israel bombs a water facility, there is probably a tunnel at least close by, about 10 m down or whatever.
But the question isn't whether there's a tunnel. The question is what Israel is targeting. The only people who can answer that are those in the Israeli government and military, which you acknowledge contains "some liars." We don't even need to see what Hamas says. So why do you trust their explanation?
Israel attacked far more than two aid trucks. What are you even talking about.