Åkesson joined SD when it was openly a Nazi party to "change it from the inside." Could not be more like the comic. All he got them to do was update the rhetoric. If there was another panel of the comic, all of the same people would be there but they just wouldn't be wearing the uniforms anymore and he'd be sitting there all smug saying "mission accomplished."

Yep, everyone claims to be a "moderate" when it suits them, especially the far right. Like Åkesson they realise the optics are bad and put on a nice suit while supporting the same horrendous shit they always did

Oh look it's Jimmie Åkesson

And now we grasp at straws. Anything to avoid facing the reality of the situation.

He might have had a bad connection for a second. It would be more compelling if it had been, I don't know, on the debate stage with 50 million people watching.

Everyone rightfully talks about how awful Trump is, but as soon as Biden does something like support a genocide or come across like a doddering old man in a debate, all of a sudden "Trump does it too" is apparently a defense.

Before someone jumps down my throat about the election being a choice between two people, it's not. People might also hate both and not vote. Not saying it's wise, just saying it's possible.

But also due probability, I simply trust the IDF explanation about a million more times than I trust the explanation of anyone who supports Hamas's ideology.

So by "probability" you mean that you feel that the IDF is less likely to lie than Hamas?

Despite saying (correctly)

I'm very sure that Israel has some liars in charge right now.

The thing is, we don't need to trust Hamas. There is a good chance there are tunnels under any particular building (far under but let's put a pin in that for now). So when Israel bombs a water facility, there is probably a tunnel at least close by, about 10 m down or whatever.

But the question isn't whether there's a tunnel. The question is what Israel is targeting. The only people who can answer that are those in the Israeli government and military, which you acknowledge contains "some liars." We don't even need to see what Hamas says. So why do you trust their explanation?

This is not fair description of his debate performance. He didn't stutter, he crashed like an old computer trying to keep 50 chrome tabs running and then barely dragged himself out of it with incoherent nonsense like "we beat Medicare."

It doesn't disqualify him, it just lowers the bar for Trump.

If they commit a crime then we can lock them up. If they don't then they have the same rights as you and me. And that is a GOOD THING.

This is getting down voted here, but it shouldn't be just because some people disagree. The NYT editorial board coming out with this is a Big Deal. It has the potential to change the race. A lot of influential people still read it.

The people downvoting don't care. This community is particularly bad for it, imo. There is a group of people who will downvote literally anything bad for Biden, and think that people like return2ozma, who seems to genuinely be a democrat, are posting bad news as part of some plot to suppress the vote (?) and help Trump win.

One time I saw one poll with good news for Biden upvoted and another, equally legit poll in a different state (I think this was a swing state too) but showing Trump in the lead sitting on zero. It is not about whether it is significant for these people, it is literally "Is this good or bad for My Guy? Does this fit the echo chamber I want to live in?"

They absolutely should not downvote something like this, you're totally right. Any relevant political analysis/news from a respected source should get upvoted. But the (justified) fear of Trump is making tribalism hit hard and turning some people into petulant children with nothing to do but demand we "vote blue" and prop up the narrative.

Yeah I also watched a 30 minute highlight video because since Trump has been involved I've found watching the whole thing to be intolerable. I am totally open to anybody showing me "high points" for Biden that maybe CNN skipped over in their condensed version.

He got a couple zingers off

Lol please share. "Morals of an alleycat"? (or whatever the exact quote is)

As for the rest, I agree that obviously for general factual content Biden even on his deathbed will beat Trump. However it was undermined by the errors, e.g. getting the price of insulin wrong and millions/billions mixed up more than once. That is the problem.

I'll bet you that if he was on his A game, everyone would have been yelling performance enhancement drugs!

Almost certainly. But he wasn't so it's not really the point here.

Seems like caving into republican talking points way too easily...

You know what they say about stopped clocks. They will always have this shit to say about Biden, absolutely. So why have I (and many others, NYT included) all of a sudden "caved into" republican talking points after ignoring or arguing against them until now?

Honestly to me the more interesting "talking points" at the minute are from some democrats, who after (assumedly) reacting in horror with the rest of us after the debate, have latched onto the "He had a cold" excuse that they came out with and tried to pass the whole thing off as a "stutter" issue.

I think people can see the difference between a stutter and whatever the hell happened at the debate. He wasn't stuttering, he was freezing up and getting sentences jumbled up. He was not capable of having a coherent debate, and the only saving grace is that Trump isn't either (different reasons, but still).

So I find it a little strange how people are talking about his performance, now. We all know what we watched, and that is why everybody freaked the fuck out straight afterwards. Trying to gaslight everyone is not a productive or helpful strategy. (Not you necessarily, by the way, just "the discourse" in general. I would like to see any examples you have of what you're saying)

If you take a country "back to the stone age" it absolutely requires attacks on civilian infrastructure.

So any country that respects international law and human life could not in good conscience give them weapons or support to do this.

Gosh I wonder what Biden will do...

So we can class them as a specific subgroup that we're allowed to mistreat and don't have the same rights as everyone else? We could make them wear little badges.

If a neighbouring state blew up your house, killing your children and your wife, would you be more or less likely to commit violent acts against them?

This will not keep Israel safe. It will only create further generations that hate them.

Israel actually does care about getting aid into the country

Is this why there was the flour massacre and many others around that time, and why the WCK aid workers were killed? Oh yeah and why they said they were stopping all food and water? And why there is much less aid coming in than there was before the war even started, when the need was much lower?

Words are cheap. Israel's actions speak volumes.

Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks?

Don't be an idiot. They were travelling a "safe" route. They were coordinating their position with Israel. They were innocent aid workers. They should have never been killed. Making out it is fine because it's "rare" is ridiculous.

If you want to play numbers, Israel killed 254 aid workers up to the end of April.

You don't find your reaction a little hysterical?

"Hysterical"? No. I used no emotive language (apart from "massacre" which is generally how that event is referred to), I just listed some of the many facts that show Israel is the main problem for aid distribution. Calling this "hysterical" is a pathetic rhetorical trick to make out that that everyone else is "emotional" and you are "rational." It's embarrassing.

Hysterical would be: OMG those innocent aid workers were BUTCHERED by Israel, brutally killed in the prime of their life. This is the worst crime imaginable, can you think of how their parents feel?! These people are monsters, MONSTERS. Worse than Hitler. Like Satan himself. If you didn't cry about this you are SCUM.

I said they "were killed."

Totally emotionless.

What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?

It's totally possible to designate actual safe zones for humanitarian purposes and give these people aid. And "because there is a war" there is much more need for humanitarian aid. Because Israel has destroyed food production, water desalination plants and much more. But obviously you know that.

Israel increased the demand for aid, killed people distributing aid, stops much of the aid from getting in, and makes it impossible to safely get it (e.g. flour massacre) and you have the gall to say they "want" aid in. Give us a fucking break.

From here

Around 500 trucks with aid and other commercial supplies were entering Gaza daily before the conflict, when the enclave was also able to produce much of its food through agriculture and fishing, both of which have nearly entirely ceased.

UNRWA communications director Juliette Touma said both humanitarian and commercial supplies were needed for Gaza because the entire population was now dependent on handouts, which was not sustainable.

Down from 500 to 100 to 200 a day. Rarely (like in the linked story) more, often much less. Never 500 since October, despite calls from around the world.

This is why you fall back on pretending everyone arguing with you is overly emotional or just stupid. The facts are staring all of us in the face and we see it too clearly. You want to pretend this is "normal" but have to really double down in the face of such overwhelming evidence.

In the year 1,000,000 and a 1/2, humankind was enslaved by giraffes

Is there a minimum "rate" for a genocide, then?

But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.

Please read: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239

Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.

And did you just ignore the hundreds of killed aid workers I mentioned (and linked a source for) in my last comment? You say just "two accidents" as if that's it.

What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades

Lol I wonder why 🤣

I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.

Aid workers. Protected by international law. But also it's only about 250. I guess you are less "impressed" now as if that was the goal, lol.

500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?

Yeah I broke your nose, but why are you ignoring the 205 bones I didn't break? Hopefully you can see how stupid a thing this is to say.

Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.

Please show me anywhere on my entire Lemmy account where I have said anything negative about Jewish people because they are Jewish and not just because the ones in the IDF are DOING WAR CRIMES and also happen to be Jewish. I never even mention this because it does not matter. You can tell this very easily because if you do look through my account you will see me criticise Hamas for their war crimes and the US political establishment for supporting Israel's war crimes.

I am anti asshole. Not anti Jewish.

How do you know that?

And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me

Wasn't trying to impress you. Just clarifying that I was not lying.

Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves.

"Gave all their water to terrorism" - do you even hear yourself? Did the malnourished children "give" their water to Hamas? I can't even believe you're being serious here.

And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel?

Yeah of course I did. It's the middle one here. How exactly does this show it's not been targeted? And if they really aren't targeting them, why have 53% been destroyed or damaged? Are they the worst army at aiming in the world or something?

No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.

Are you saying I'm antisemitic for believing the FACT that Israel has damaged much of the water infrastructure in Gaza?

But that's the thing, you would be saying it's an accident but if it happens again and again, why should anyone believe you?

I never said they wanted to kill all aid workers. They had just killed 254 by when that report came out. You don't need to intend to kill all for it to be bad

Can you elaborate?

If he's so upset about being compared to mass murderers he should have not murdered people en masse. It's actually very easy to not do that

Read the bible and tell me he's wrong. Poor characterization, wandering plot, endless instructions stuffed into the middle of irrelevant chapters, many cases of the main character "God" supporting and encouraging crimes like rape and murder, and it's soooooo long. Brevity is the soul of wit, disciples! Get your shit together and learn to edit.

Mathematicians write the most insane shit you've ever seen in your life then they're just like □ peace out

“We completely believe in the two-state solution and a state for the Palestinian people. We believe the best and the most sustainable way to do that is through direct negotiations between the parties,” the White House national security spokesperson, John Kirby, told reporters on board Air Force One on Thursday.

I like how the US is holding this up so they can desperately try to convince Bibi of something he's already refused to accept, after having spent 6 MONTHS failing to get them to stop killing children.

It also pointed out that the Israeli authorities denied access to 56% of humanitarian aid missions planned for northern Gaza (34 out of 61) and 25% of missions planned for the middle area (28 out of 114) in January. Since 26 January the number of trucks allowed to enter Gaza, an inadequate metric, never exceeded 218 and was typically below 150.

Waiting for the Zionists in the comments to explain how this is all Egypt or Hamas' fault somehow

Israel is so bad that this isn't even shocking anymore

Disgusting. Before you jump to "obviously, who expected being a hostage to be nice, this is sad but normal in war blah blah blah" just remember all of the despicable bullshit that Zionists say to justify the massive civilian casualties and continuous war crimes of Israel. If you sound like them you are not on the side of humanity.

Fuck Hamas and fuck every single one of them that did something like this.

"Appears to show" like it's not a video and not something that happens every day.

I think people are generally nicer to you if you don't oppress them for decades and destroy their homes but hey what do I know

Bombs dropped from thousands of feet and artillery shells lofted into Gaza from kilometers away result in death and destruction on a massive scale, but it is carried out remotely. The deadly results are unseen by those who caused them and the source unseen by those [who] suffer and die.

It’s a different kind of event and is described differently as ‘intensive,’ ‘unrelenting,’ and ‘punishing,’ raining death and destruction on one of the most densely populated places on earth…They are different stories, and we have tried to describe both accurately and vividly.  

It's not "murderous" if it's done from far away, apparently. Hitler didn't personally see the Jews he sent to the death camps so he wasn't "murderous" he was just "unrelenting" and "intensive." Aww he was just a hard worker then, bless his cotton socks.

Terrorists, both the settlers and the IDF.

The election is important BUT the president isn't and shouldn't be above criticism. He is not doing the killing but he's keeping the killers well stocked with weapons and ammunition, doing PR for them and undermining any attempt to stop the killing.

If this isn't something he should be criticised for I don't know what is

Either Israel has literally the worst intelligence agency in the world OR they are purposefully lying to justify destroying the necessities of life in Gaza as part of a campaign of genocide. Oh wow I wonder which one it could be what a mystery omg this conflict is so complicated

Genocide. Can you provide any other explanation for cutting off food and water to the civilian population? This is indefensible. There is no purpose other than to kill or harm the innocent, and they cannot claim this was "unintentional" in any way. Even before we get into the various statements from Israeli officials.

Here is the relevant part of the definition of genocide:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

You only need to do one of these things with the intent to destroy for it to be genocide. Israel has done these 3 out of 5 total. Support them if you want but let's be clear about what is actually happening here.

I think I agree more with the spam angle than the "only bad news" angle. As others have said it's fine to have a viewpoint and mainly share articles in line with that viewpoint. However doing it many times per day, every day, when the number of posts here is limited anyway, does impact the community.

In any case, the main thing is to be consistent and ideally make whatever the rule is very clear. And I would say this should be turned into an explicit rule or explanation under an existing rule.

Personally I just read what I want to, and if it seems bad faith, downvote and move on.

Doppler analysis is a really good approach. Assuming there are no glaring errors in the analysis: Israel is lying, it absolutely did not come from where they claim. It came from.... the direction of Israel.

But perhaps physics is just antisemitic now who knows

Imagine taking three days out of your life to make sure a group of people under siege and already bombed into oblivion can't get basic humanitarian supplies. Think about how big of a piece of shit you would have to be. These people deserve nothing but contempt.

Didn't the ICJ ruling say Israel had to ensure aid comes in? So the IDF should take away these protesters, right? Right?

While we can say with confidence that famine is a significant risk in the south and centre but not present, in the north, it is both a risk and quite possibly is present in at least some areas

I'm not a doctor or anything but based on the picture in the article alone isn't "quite possibly" really underselling it?

News: at least 20 people have already died from malnutrition

US: Hmm yeah could be a famine there, not sure. Hard to tell.

I wanted to!