The Israeli government is murdering children and committing war crimes, and they're upset about what The Onion has to say about it.
They are targeting the press, they really care about public opinion
They're also full on slaughtering the press too.
So a rundown of what they're doing
Killing 2 civilians for every 1 Hamas
Killing children (50% of Gaza is under 18)
Killing journalists
They're 100% correct Hamas needs to be wiped out because Hamas wants Jews to not exist, but goddamn the ends to not justify the means.
They've lost the fucking plot.
Mark my words anti-Semitism is going to continue it's crescendo and it's 100% because of the IDF and that asshat running Israel.
Hamas charter excerpt.
16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Good to know they uphold this text by not publicly murdering and raping random civilians in their homes and proudly sharing the video.
The IDF also says it's not genociding. Military groups are known for their trustworthiness
Easy propaganda is easy. The national socialists were socialists in that they wanted socialists to vote for them. Easy to say something that isn't true, just as easy to not enforce a difference between zionists and Jews.
Does that mean Israel needs to be wiped out because they don't want Palestinians to exist?
The current government? Absolutely.
What did it for me to know they went waaaaaay too far was the:
-killing three of their hostages while they were holding a white flag
-a sniper killing two women inside a church affiliated with Rome
Got it, killing thousands of brown muslim babies wasn't enough to awaken your empathy. But killing three young Jews and two Christians is where you drew your moral line.
Also interesting that the church being 'affiliated with Rome' was somehow a factor in this excellent judgement of your's. Should we assume that you were fine as long as the ones killed are Christians affiliated what say, the Armenian Orthodox church? Better late than never I guess...
The reason I chose these events are very simple. They are glaringly clear events that show without a doubt the intent of killing civilians. First, the hostage situation clearly shows that they do not recognise surrender, even if they wanted.
Second, in a way akin to the United Nations, the Catholic Church is a relatively powerful institution independent from the conflicting parties that was unlikely to harbour weapons inside (even if more likely than UN facilities). However, unlike the indiscriminate UN bombings, the killing was done during the day inside the church by a sniper, again, making it glaringly clear.
Finally, at this point, most people inside churches aren’t even Christian, as most of the Christian population fled a while ago, and the people that remain are actually following the bible and harbouring those that need it.
Hey man, if it’s brown shoot it down. Thats the American way.
Reminds me of that time Winnie the Poo got mad at some random child making fun of him on tiktok
East crimes? Typo or some phrase I've never heard of?
Swipe typo. "War"
"Swipo"
God damnit I wanted to say it
Sorry for Swiping your joke!
Swiping jokes should be an east crime
I have acquired a new word.
Only Cory Doctorow is allowed to coin new phrases for us to use
The ironic thing is, conflating any and all criticism of the state of Israel with anti-semitism could be argued as anti-semitic itself, because to suggest that jewish people in general and the Israeli state/military are one in the same such that criticism of the later is also hateful towards the former, is also to suggest that jewish people as a whole are responsible for the actions of Israel.
As cultural groups as a whole are inherently unable to be guilty of crimes (since even if a large number of people belonging to one commit some crime, such a group will also contain members that cannot be guilty of it, like young children), but states and similar entities, being organized and capable of decision-making, can be, then any attempt to link the moral culpability of a state and that of a cultural group is inherently to apply unfair accusations to that group, and thus hateful to it.
I think a big part of it, here in the US, is besides all the post WW2 sentiment, a lot of folks here in the bible belt literally think they are God's chosen people, and so whatever they do is right by God, no matter how terrible. I recently showed up for jury duty and was speaking to a lady there about her son who had joined the Marine Corps. and thought he might get deployed, and she said, I shit you not, "At least he'll be fighting for God's people".
I've seen antisemitism. I've been in online communities that slowly devolved into rat caricatures and conspiracy theories about how Jews are out to destroy the world. So I know that modern antisemitism persists and is a thing to watch out for. But it's not antisemitic to admit that Zionist Israel is butchering innocent people because they want to claim all of Palestine for themselves, and that the west is too weak willed to do anything about it for fear of being called antisemitic, or going against "God's chosen people". That's not antisemitism, it's an objective, observable fact.
The even bigger issue is the Bible Belt is those moron’s reading of Revelation, which has them thinking Israel has to control Jerusalem for the rapture to happen.
That’s actually a requirement?
Do they have to hold up the Holy Grail and yell out “Jewmanji”, too?
Bro can i just say that i fucking hate that anti-semetic is even an argument used when someone demonstrates support for Hamas? it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic.
I think there is a very good argument of antisemitism if you support Hamas. There is no argument for antisemitism if you support Palestinians.
Who the fuck supports Hamas? It's an actual terrorist organization that's oppressing people in Palestine
You would be surprised. Some people are fucking insane.
Every source I find suggests that Hamas has significant support from the people of Palestine
Damn I wonder why the people being subjected to genocide support the group fighting the genociders?
I just can’t work it out.
You're telling me that you haven't seen those green headbands at 'peace rallys'? They're at every one I've seen on the news. Including the one where they attacked Santa LoL.
Those are Hamas flags. Dunno what that could be other than support.... they're rocking the merch.
Colloquially yeah it makes a lot of sense to say Hamas is antisemitic, the word means hatred for Jews regardless of the etymology of 'semite'. Take it up with marriam-webster, not the people correctly using the modern definition of the word
Hamas Charter, excerpt.
16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
if you choose to believe that Hamas is not antisemitic that's your prerogative. I only note that so long as there is a hatred of Jews the word is being used correctly.
I hear both (non-settler) Jews and Christians live in Gaza, that wouldn't be possible if Hamas was all about Jew hating...
Israeli Jews is what most people think in this context
After the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, the Jews of Mandatory Palestine became Israeli citizens, and the term Palestinian Jews has largely fallen into disuse and is somewhat defunct, in favour of the modern term Israeli Jews.
It says in the wiki article that they became Israeli citizens. What are you on about?
Yet people still claim the label "Palestinian Jew" - are we to deny their claim to belief?
(Different commenter here.)
I've heard there are a few Jews living among the Arab population of the West Bank. I've heard nothing about Jews living in Gaza except for Israeli colonists who have since moved out. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that non-colonist Jews would live in the occupied territories, because they are free to move to Israel by virtue of being Jews.
There is a small population of Arab Christians living in Gaza, and I would assume in the West Bank as well, though I can't recall hearing about them specifically.
I can't argue with their charter, but their actions don't reflect their words.
You're not supposed to use the new one, it doesn't fit the narrative.
/s
I guess that would make Israel anti-Semitic as well.
it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic.
Oof, either you're just grossly misinformed and performing a cringey "ackchually", or you're anti-semitic yourself and perpetuating anti-semitic rhetoric.
While yes, both are Semitic people, the term 'anti-semitic' was specifically coined by Nazi Germany to make their genocide seem like it had a basis in science. They specifically used it to refer to Jews. Nobody uses "anti-semitic" to mean all semites except hate groups and holocaust deniers who are trying to say "see, it doesn't even mean Jews specifically! Jews are just playing the victim!"
I will assume you're simply ignorant or misinformed, but feel free to correct me if this was actually an intentional dog-whistle.
Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who interpret it as referring to racist hatred directed at all "Semitic people" (i.e., those who speak Semitic languages, such as Arabs, Assyrians, and Arameans). This usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus (lit. 'antisemitism') was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a "scientific-sounding term" for Judenhass (lit. 'Jew-hatred'),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.
Golda Meir once said "After the Holocaust, Jews are free to do whatever they want".
Since then, Palestinians have been paying for the crimes of Nazi Germany.
Best take on this. A lot of Jewish people said “we must never let this happen again,” but some motherfuckers took notes.
Everyone post-WW2: "Never again"
Some people: "Never again should that be inflicted on anyone"
Other people: "Never again should that be inflicted on the Jewish"
There’s a YouTube channel covering WWII week by week, and there’s a sister series called War Against Humanity, which covers the atrocities committed on all sides—not just the a death camps and the murders in the ghettos, but firebombing campaigns, the Japanese internment camps, the Bata’an death march, the famine in India at the hands of the Raj, and so on. Every episode ends with host Spartacus Olsson repeating the phase that we should be using, “Never forget”. Because a huge contingent of us seems to be forgetting.
Thanks for the recommendation, definitively going to check that out.
Like The Great War, the shows are written and/or hosted by Indy Neidell and Spartacus Olsson (with additional programming by Olsson’s wife and daughter Astrid and Anna Deinhart, respectively), but there’s a different production team.
That was the channel they had when they did WWI. So, same concept and core team, but different channel.
Seems those other people haven't really learned anything from it at all, considering they'd still be down for it happening to anyone else.
"We must learn from the past" vs "We must learn from the past"
The scary part is they very much may just do that. NSO Group is based outta Israel, it's honestly terrifying. The man has much larger balls than some may realize.
What're they gonna do? Fail to gather basic intelligence on him before he invades their country? Oooh he's so scared
Their mercenary software is no joke. They will own your phone without you noticing, and once they own your phone, they own you. This is like silencing journalists if you're a nation state 101
No, silencing journalists as a nation-state 101 is having him tragically fall backwards onto twelve loaded assault rifles, wrap himself in a body bag and throw himself into the river, ruled a suicide by the judge, open and shut case.
Yes exactly, but that starts with info collection, cellular there goal, and OSINT
Just do what? It sounds like you're saying they'd hurt the journalist but the only context available makes it seem like you could be talking about the onion headline.
Edit: Did a little reading, fuck they're scary.
IDK about this group in particular but at the moment Israel holds the record for most journalists murdered in wartime.
There's 2 reasons for that:
They're attacking one of the most densely populated areas in the world
They're committing a genocide - when they want to wipe out the entire population, journalists are going to get killed in their indiscriminate attacks.
They're far-right too, so they're a half-step from flat out executing dissenting journalists (and how are journalists in Palestine likely to be aligned?).
Isreal has a database of all the people living in Gaza as well as their places of residency. Most (if not all) of the prominent Palestinian journalists have been killed in their homes, along with their families, in strikes using smart munitions during the first few days of the "war". It's giving Isreal too much credit to say they weren't specifically targeted.
Yikes - that's news to me. I can't say I'm shocked - especially knowing the way they were barring journalists from entry, and they obviously want to control the narrative about their genocide.
They've also deliberately shot at and detained journalists in clearly marked press gear. It's not "oh they got caught in the crossfire".
wasn't that the account that was posting all sorts of transphobia right before oct 7th and they switched?
i assume the anti semetism account right?
yeah not elias :)
Why the fuck is anyone for any reason using twitter anymore?
Yeah, kind of ironic they are still using it
Look at the dates. The article is also from 2018
I’m willing to ammend the statement to why is anyone referencing twitter anymore? lmao
I think it's an interesting callback to show that the same tactics were being used by all parties 5 years ago. So much so that people often don't even notice it isn't current. Media references from 5 years ago are likely to have Twitter content because of its place in the zeitgeist at the time.
You're causing me to use up all my upvotes!!! LOL
Joking aside, great point.
Israeli neozionist troll factory attempts have never really shied away from the public, with the most notable example being Act.IL, but that doesn't make them harmless. Giving your identity away like this is the same as giving away your identity to Scientologists, expect a serious degree of gaslighting and bullshit to be headed the way of your personal and professional life.
And I do mean serious, because with extremists and radicals getting the reigns of government thanks to Netanyahu, foreign intervention having been normalized to such an excessive degree, and countries letting them get away with it so freely, expect the requirements to get labeled as part of a "problem group" to become significantly easier to achieve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad#Europe
The genocide will continue until morale improves
I am Spartacus
Thought this was gonna be a Bill Maher meme at first.
The Israeli government is murdering children and committing war crimes, and they're upset about what The Onion has to say about it.
They are targeting the press, they really care about public opinion
They're also full on slaughtering the press too.
So a rundown of what they're doing
They're 100% correct Hamas needs to be wiped out because Hamas wants Jews to not exist, but goddamn the ends to not justify the means.
They've lost the fucking plot.
Mark my words anti-Semitism is going to continue it's crescendo and it's 100% because of the IDF and that asshat running Israel.
Good to know they uphold this text by not publicly murdering and raping random civilians in their homes and proudly sharing the video.
The IDF also says it's not genociding. Military groups are known for their trustworthiness
Easy propaganda is easy. The national socialists were socialists in that they wanted socialists to vote for them. Easy to say something that isn't true, just as easy to not enforce a difference between zionists and Jews.
Does that mean Israel needs to be wiped out because they don't want Palestinians to exist?
The current government? Absolutely.
What did it for me to know they went waaaaaay too far was the:
-killing three of their hostages while they were holding a white flag
-a sniper killing two women inside a church affiliated with Rome
Got it, killing thousands of brown muslim babies wasn't enough to awaken your empathy. But killing three young Jews and two Christians is where you drew your moral line.
Also interesting that the church being 'affiliated with Rome' was somehow a factor in this excellent judgement of your's. Should we assume that you were fine as long as the ones killed are Christians affiliated what say, the Armenian Orthodox church? Better late than never I guess...
The reason I chose these events are very simple. They are glaringly clear events that show without a doubt the intent of killing civilians. First, the hostage situation clearly shows that they do not recognise surrender, even if they wanted.
Second, in a way akin to the United Nations, the Catholic Church is a relatively powerful institution independent from the conflicting parties that was unlikely to harbour weapons inside (even if more likely than UN facilities). However, unlike the indiscriminate UN bombings, the killing was done during the day inside the church by a sniper, again, making it glaringly clear.
Finally, at this point, most people inside churches aren’t even Christian, as most of the Christian population fled a while ago, and the people that remain are actually following the bible and harbouring those that need it.
Hey man, if it’s brown shoot it down. Thats the American way.
Reminds me of that time Winnie the Poo got mad at some random child making fun of him on tiktok
East crimes? Typo or some phrase I've never heard of?
Swipe typo. "War"
"Swipo"
God damnit I wanted to say it
Sorry for Swiping your joke!
Swiping jokes should be an east crime
I have acquired a new word.
Only Cory Doctorow is allowed to coin new phrases for us to use
That looks like a private organization.
The ironic thing is, conflating any and all criticism of the state of Israel with anti-semitism could be argued as anti-semitic itself, because to suggest that jewish people in general and the Israeli state/military are one in the same such that criticism of the later is also hateful towards the former, is also to suggest that jewish people as a whole are responsible for the actions of Israel.
As cultural groups as a whole are inherently unable to be guilty of crimes (since even if a large number of people belonging to one commit some crime, such a group will also contain members that cannot be guilty of it, like young children), but states and similar entities, being organized and capable of decision-making, can be, then any attempt to link the moral culpability of a state and that of a cultural group is inherently to apply unfair accusations to that group, and thus hateful to it.
I’m going to start doing this now lol
Edit: pointing it out**
I think a big part of it, here in the US, is besides all the post WW2 sentiment, a lot of folks here in the bible belt literally think they are God's chosen people, and so whatever they do is right by God, no matter how terrible. I recently showed up for jury duty and was speaking to a lady there about her son who had joined the Marine Corps. and thought he might get deployed, and she said, I shit you not, "At least he'll be fighting for God's people".
I've seen antisemitism. I've been in online communities that slowly devolved into rat caricatures and conspiracy theories about how Jews are out to destroy the world. So I know that modern antisemitism persists and is a thing to watch out for. But it's not antisemitic to admit that Zionist Israel is butchering innocent people because they want to claim all of Palestine for themselves, and that the west is too weak willed to do anything about it for fear of being called antisemitic, or going against "God's chosen people". That's not antisemitism, it's an objective, observable fact.
The even bigger issue is the Bible Belt is those moron’s reading of Revelation, which has them thinking Israel has to control Jerusalem for the rapture to happen.
That’s actually a requirement?
Do they have to hold up the Holy Grail and yell out “Jewmanji”, too?
Bro can i just say that i fucking hate that anti-semetic is even an argument used when someone demonstrates support for Hamas? it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic.
I think there is a very good argument of antisemitism if you support Hamas. There is no argument for antisemitism if you support Palestinians.
Who the fuck supports Hamas? It's an actual terrorist organization that's oppressing people in Palestine
You would be surprised. Some people are fucking insane.
Every source I find suggests that Hamas has significant support from the people of Palestine
Damn I wonder why the people being subjected to genocide support the group fighting the genociders?
I just can’t work it out.
You're telling me that you haven't seen those green headbands at 'peace rallys'? They're at every one I've seen on the news. Including the one where they attacked Santa LoL.
Those are Hamas flags. Dunno what that could be other than support.... they're rocking the merch.
Colloquially yeah it makes a lot of sense to say Hamas is antisemitic, the word means hatred for Jews regardless of the etymology of 'semite'. Take it up with marriam-webster, not the people correctly using the modern definition of the word
if you choose to believe that Hamas is not antisemitic that's your prerogative. I only note that so long as there is a hatred of Jews the word is being used correctly.
I hear both (non-settler) Jews and Christians live in Gaza, that wouldn't be possible if Hamas was all about Jew hating...
Where have you heard Jews live in Gaza?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews
Israeli Jews is what most people think in this context
It says in the wiki article that they became Israeli citizens. What are you on about?
Yet people still claim the label "Palestinian Jew" - are we to deny their claim to belief?
(Different commenter here.)
I've heard there are a few Jews living among the Arab population of the West Bank. I've heard nothing about Jews living in Gaza except for Israeli colonists who have since moved out. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that non-colonist Jews would live in the occupied territories, because they are free to move to Israel by virtue of being Jews.
There is a small population of Arab Christians living in Gaza, and I would assume in the West Bank as well, though I can't recall hearing about them specifically.
I can't argue with their charter, but their actions don't reflect their words.
You're not supposed to use the new one, it doesn't fit the narrative.
/s
I guess that would make Israel anti-Semitic as well.
Oof, either you're just grossly misinformed and performing a cringey "ackchually", or you're anti-semitic yourself and perpetuating anti-semitic rhetoric.
While yes, both are Semitic people, the term 'anti-semitic' was specifically coined by Nazi Germany to make their genocide seem like it had a basis in science. They specifically used it to refer to Jews. Nobody uses "anti-semitic" to mean all semites except hate groups and holocaust deniers who are trying to say "see, it doesn't even mean Jews specifically! Jews are just playing the victim!"
I will assume you're simply ignorant or misinformed, but feel free to correct me if this was actually an intentional dog-whistle.
Golda Meir once said "After the Holocaust, Jews are free to do whatever they want".
Since then, Palestinians have been paying for the crimes of Nazi Germany.
Best take on this. A lot of Jewish people said “we must never let this happen again,” but some motherfuckers took notes.
Everyone post-WW2: "Never again"
There’s a YouTube channel covering WWII week by week, and there’s a sister series called War Against Humanity, which covers the atrocities committed on all sides—not just the a death camps and the murders in the ghettos, but firebombing campaigns, the Japanese internment camps, the Bata’an death march, the famine in India at the hands of the Raj, and so on. Every episode ends with host Spartacus Olsson repeating the phase that we should be using, “Never forget”. Because a huge contingent of us seems to be forgetting.
Thanks for the recommendation, definitively going to check that out.
Links in case others are looking for it as well:
WW2 Week by Week
War Against Humanity
Is that like The Great War or something?
Like The Great War, the shows are written and/or hosted by Indy Neidell and Spartacus Olsson (with additional programming by Olsson’s wife and daughter Astrid and Anna Deinhart, respectively), but there’s a different production team.
That was the channel they had when they did WWI. So, same concept and core team, but different channel.
Seems those other people haven't really learned anything from it at all, considering they'd still be down for it happening to anyone else.
"We must learn from the past" vs "We must learn from the past"
The scary part is they very much may just do that. NSO Group is based outta Israel, it's honestly terrifying. The man has much larger balls than some may realize.
What're they gonna do? Fail to gather basic intelligence on him before he invades their country? Oooh he's so scared
Their mercenary software is no joke. They will own your phone without you noticing, and once they own your phone, they own you. This is like silencing journalists if you're a nation state 101
No, silencing journalists as a nation-state 101 is having him tragically fall backwards onto twelve loaded assault rifles, wrap himself in a body bag and throw himself into the river, ruled a suicide by the judge, open and shut case.
Yes exactly, but that starts with info collection, cellular there goal, and OSINT
Just do what? It sounds like you're saying they'd hurt the journalist but the only context available makes it seem like you could be talking about the onion headline.
Edit: Did a little reading, fuck they're scary.
IDK about this group in particular but at the moment Israel holds the record for most journalists murdered in wartime.
There's 2 reasons for that:
They're attacking one of the most densely populated areas in the world
They're committing a genocide - when they want to wipe out the entire population, journalists are going to get killed in their indiscriminate attacks.
They're far-right too, so they're a half-step from flat out executing dissenting journalists (and how are journalists in Palestine likely to be aligned?).
Isreal has a database of all the people living in Gaza as well as their places of residency. Most (if not all) of the prominent Palestinian journalists have been killed in their homes, along with their families, in strikes using smart munitions during the first few days of the "war". It's giving Isreal too much credit to say they weren't specifically targeted.
Yikes - that's news to me. I can't say I'm shocked - especially knowing the way they were barring journalists from entry, and they obviously want to control the narrative about their genocide.
They've also deliberately shot at and detained journalists in clearly marked press gear. It's not "oh they got caught in the crossfire".
NSO is apparently quite formidable in terms of hacking as well, to the point where apple actively sued them: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/11/apple-sues-nso-group-to-curb-the-abuse-of-state-sponsored-spyware/
and so is zipoapps
DARVO
The battle cry of abusive assholes, worldwide!
...did he get his prize?
if anything, it was probably a death threat.
Should've snitched on himself for the prize
Astoundingly based
wasn't that the account that was posting all sorts of transphobia right before oct 7th and they switched?
i assume the anti semetism account right?
yeah not elias :)
Why the fuck is anyone for any reason using twitter anymore?
Yeah, kind of ironic they are still using it
Look at the dates. The article is also from 2018
I’m willing to ammend the statement to why is anyone referencing twitter anymore? lmao
I think it's an interesting callback to show that the same tactics were being used by all parties 5 years ago. So much so that people often don't even notice it isn't current. Media references from 5 years ago are likely to have Twitter content because of its place in the zeitgeist at the time.
You're causing me to use up all my upvotes!!! LOL
Joking aside, great point.
Israeli neozionist troll factory attempts have never really shied away from the public, with the most notable example being Act.IL, but that doesn't make them harmless. Giving your identity away like this is the same as giving away your identity to Scientologists, expect a serious degree of gaslighting and bullshit to be headed the way of your personal and professional life.
And I do mean serious, because with extremists and radicals getting the reigns of government thanks to Netanyahu, foreign intervention having been normalized to such an excessive degree, and countries letting them get away with it so freely, expect the requirements to get labeled as part of a "problem group" to become significantly easier to achieve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad#Europe
The genocide will continue until morale improves
I am Spartacus
Thought this was gonna be a Bill Maher meme at first.
Okaaay NEW RULE