We just discussed how it doesn't, if they weren't planning on voting for Biden in the first place. If Biden wants more leftist votes, he can appeal to Leftists instead of Zionists and Neoliberals.
If you weren't planning to vote for Biden in the first place then you are not very leftist. He's the leftmost candidate of the two than are in the race.
Not voting for Biden is a tacit endorsement of Trump. You chose to have turbo-genocide instead of genocide-light.
You don't like that Biden did a publicity stunt building that pier and just brought one day worth of food in two months? Just wait until Trump decides to cover Gaza in rat poison.
You don't like that Biden keeps selling arms to Israel? How about sending a carrier group and bombing those refugee camps directly?
If you weren't planning to vote for Biden in the first place then you are not very leftist. He's the leftmost candidate of the two than are in the race.
See, that would be true if Biden could be considered anything other than firmly right wing. A vote for Biden doesn't move America to the left, it maintains the right wing status quo. Leftists have had to work outside the electoral process, historically.
Guess the huge portion of people who don't vote each year secretly want Trump.
Not voting for Biden is a tacit endorsement of Trump. You chose to have turbo-genocide instead of genocide-light.
If they weren't voting for Biden in the first place, and instead for, say, PSL or the Greens, Biden never had their vote in the first place. Secondly, 180,000 Palestinians are dead, if you're comfortable with calling that "genocide-light" then that's sickening. Even if Trump would double weapon shipments or something, we are still in full-blown genocide mode currently.
You don't like that Biden did a publicity stunt building that pier and just brought one day worth of food in two months? Just wait until Trump decides to cover Gaza in rat poison.
Trump is evil, yes, but even you have to realize he would still be working with the existing US state department. The President has the power to stop or continue the genocide, yes, but covering Gaza in Rat Poison? That's nit going to happen, especially because Israel is a Settler-Colonial state. They are taking land to live in.
You don't like that Biden keeps selling arms to Israel? How about sending a carrier group and bombing those refugee camps directly?
That would be insanely monstrous and cruel, and would likely turn the rest of the International community against America.
A vote for Biden doesn't move America to the left?
Genocide, more aggressive crackdowns on immigrants than even under Trump, the recent anti-trans bill passing through a dem controlled senate, and more. What you listed isn't bad, but when taken in context with the entirety of Biden's platform it's clear he's a Neoliberal ghoul.
Compare that to defundingthe the EPA, mass deportations, one TRILLION dollars in tax breaks for the rich, etc.
Trump being more right wing doesn't mean electing Biden is a move to the left, it means maintaining Biden's right-wing agenda. If Biden gets reelected he isn't going to go to the left, he is going to continue pushing the DNC party line.
If you don't think 180.000 dead Palestinians is better than 360.000 dead Palestinians, that's a you problem.
Genocide is a non-starter, and unless Biden begins trying to appeal to his base and pull back the genocide, we will see well over 360,000 dead Palestinians under Biden.
And do i need to remind you of fucking Iraq? Guantanamo? Did America ever care about the international community and their opinion?
Voters tend to care, so being warhawkish and pushing genocide disengages voters.
Again, my point is crystal clear: blaming voters for being disengaged by Biden's warmongering and genocide, rather than blaming Biden and the DNC for maintaining their unpopular positions, is pointless. Focus on what can actually keep Trump from office, ie forcing the DNC to begin appealing more to voters.
It doesn't seem like you actually care if Trump takes office or not. That, or the current level of genocide is acceptable to you.
If you don't vote for Biden you'll see half a million dead Palestinians under trump.
If I vote for Biden I will see half a million dead Palestinians under Biden or Trump. I doubt Biden can even beat Trump, that's why he needs to either step down or appeal to his voterbase.
If you don't appeal to me, I'll help the guy win who is even worse!
How are non-voters or third party voters that Biden already wasn't getting helping Trump? How is it 2020 Biden Voters fault that Biden is committing genocide and disengaging his own voterbase?
Nothing you've said makes any sense. If Biden wants the DNC to win, he needs to not commit genocide or step down. Simple.
Don't commit genocide or I'll vote for the guy with double genocide!
Again, nobody against genocide is voting for Trump. You're less and less coherent.
A move from extreme right to right is a move to the left.
No it isn"t, it's a move from extreme right to right. Moving from far-right populism to Neoliberalism is not closer to Socialism, it's Capitalism in a different form. Politics and economics are not really a spectrum eith quantifiable numbers, they are positions, the spectrum is just shorthand.
Secondly, we are already right wing. Electing Biden again is not going to move him or his positions leftward, it's stagnating in the right wing.
So, left.
No, I just explained that politics isn't as simple as a 1 dimensional line. Voting for continued right wing politicians isn't moving to the left.
If you are far right, in order to be just right you need to move towards the left. It is as simple as that. If you don't wanna, that's fine, but it is what it is.
If you are far right, in order to be just right you need to move towards the left. It is as simple as that.
That's not how politics works. Politics is not a game of one dimensional lines, but positions. We currently are in a Neoliberal hellscape under a genocidal Neoliberal. Voting for the genocidal Neoliberal will continue said genocidal Neoliberalism. It will maintain the position, and move no closer to Socialism.
If Trump gets elected, Neoliberalism will shift towards fascism/right-wing populism.
Neither Trump nor Biden represents moving to the Left, and will not.
And moving towards fascism is not the opposite direction of what you want?
Neither are closer to Socialism. Fascism is bad, sure. So is Neoliberalism.
We just discussed how it doesn't, if they weren't planning on voting for Biden in the first place. If Biden wants more leftist votes, he can appeal to Leftists instead of Zionists and Neoliberals.
If you weren't planning to vote for Biden in the first place then you are not very leftist. He's the leftmost candidate of the two than are in the race.
Not voting for Biden is a tacit endorsement of Trump. You chose to have turbo-genocide instead of genocide-light.
You don't like that Biden did a publicity stunt building that pier and just brought one day worth of food in two months? Just wait until Trump decides to cover Gaza in rat poison.
You don't like that Biden keeps selling arms to Israel? How about sending a carrier group and bombing those refugee camps directly?
See, that would be true if Biden could be considered anything other than firmly right wing. A vote for Biden doesn't move America to the left, it maintains the right wing status quo. Leftists have had to work outside the electoral process, historically.
Guess the huge portion of people who don't vote each year secretly want Trump.
If they weren't voting for Biden in the first place, and instead for, say, PSL or the Greens, Biden never had their vote in the first place. Secondly, 180,000 Palestinians are dead, if you're comfortable with calling that "genocide-light" then that's sickening. Even if Trump would double weapon shipments or something, we are still in full-blown genocide mode currently.
Trump is evil, yes, but even you have to realize he would still be working with the existing US state department. The President has the power to stop or continue the genocide, yes, but covering Gaza in Rat Poison? That's nit going to happen, especially because Israel is a Settler-Colonial state. They are taking land to live in.
That would be insanely monstrous and cruel, and would likely turn the rest of the International community against America.
A vote for Biden doesn't move America to the left?
Insulin price cap, Medicare protection, student debt forgiveness, weed re-scheduling, etc.
Compare that to defundingthe the EPA, mass deportations, one TRILLION dollars in tax breaks for the rich, etc.
If you don't think 180.000 dead Palestinians is better than 360.000 dead Palestinians, that's a you problem.
And do i need to remind you of fucking Iraq? Guantanamo? Did America ever care about the international community and their opinion?
Nope, we are currently a far-right country under Biden.
Genocide, more aggressive crackdowns on immigrants than even under Trump, the recent anti-trans bill passing through a dem controlled senate, and more. What you listed isn't bad, but when taken in context with the entirety of Biden's platform it's clear he's a Neoliberal ghoul.
Trump being more right wing doesn't mean electing Biden is a move to the left, it means maintaining Biden's right-wing agenda. If Biden gets reelected he isn't going to go to the left, he is going to continue pushing the DNC party line.
Genocide is a non-starter, and unless Biden begins trying to appeal to his base and pull back the genocide, we will see well over 360,000 dead Palestinians under Biden.
Voters tend to care, so being warhawkish and pushing genocide disengages voters.
Again, my point is crystal clear: blaming voters for being disengaged by Biden's warmongering and genocide, rather than blaming Biden and the DNC for maintaining their unpopular positions, is pointless. Focus on what can actually keep Trump from office, ie forcing the DNC to begin appealing more to voters.
It doesn't seem like you actually care if Trump takes office or not. That, or the current level of genocide is acceptable to you.
If you don't vote for Biden you'll see half a million dead Palestinians under trump.
If I vote for Biden I will see half a million dead Palestinians under Biden or Trump. I doubt Biden can even beat Trump, that's why he needs to either step down or appeal to his voterbase.
If you don't appeal to me, I'll help the guy win who is even worse!
How are non-voters or third party voters that Biden already wasn't getting helping Trump? How is it 2020 Biden Voters fault that Biden is committing genocide and disengaging his own voterbase?
Nothing you've said makes any sense. If Biden wants the DNC to win, he needs to not commit genocide or step down. Simple.
Don't commit genocide or I'll vote for the guy with double genocide!
Again, nobody against genocide is voting for Trump. You're less and less coherent.
Remember the half vote?
Yep, it's mathematically wrong.
A move from extreme right to right is a move to the left.
No it isn"t, it's a move from extreme right to right. Moving from far-right populism to Neoliberalism is not closer to Socialism, it's Capitalism in a different form. Politics and economics are not really a spectrum eith quantifiable numbers, they are positions, the spectrum is just shorthand.
Secondly, we are already right wing. Electing Biden again is not going to move him or his positions leftward, it's stagnating in the right wing.
So, left.
No, I just explained that politics isn't as simple as a 1 dimensional line. Voting for continued right wing politicians isn't moving to the left.
If you are far right, in order to be just right you need to move towards the left. It is as simple as that. If you don't wanna, that's fine, but it is what it is.
That's not how politics works. Politics is not a game of one dimensional lines, but positions. We currently are in a Neoliberal hellscape under a genocidal Neoliberal. Voting for the genocidal Neoliberal will continue said genocidal Neoliberalism. It will maintain the position, and move no closer to Socialism.
If Trump gets elected, Neoliberalism will shift towards fascism/right-wing populism.
Neither Trump nor Biden represents moving to the Left, and will not.
And moving towards fascism is not the opposite direction of what you want?
Neither are closer to Socialism. Fascism is bad, sure. So is Neoliberalism.