I know. But look at the vote ratio. It's a lot of them. I never get to discuss the substance of any topic because I have to spend 90% the time defending why i'm not a conservative. Sometimes I wonder if its a limitation of text based communication where tone is inferred. Or maybe people are captured by epistemic bubbles. I have no idea! I'm going to keep trying though. There has to be a way to communicate with them.
I'm assuming you're an adult and probably already know this, but don't drive yourself crazy. Step back and disconnect from this if it's stressing you out.
I'm a dyed in the wool progressive and used to frequently argue with libs about my being in favor of responsible firearm ownership. I've learned to just ignore them if they're being assholes or are arguing in bad faith, as I see is the case here with a few users who can't stop trumpeting how they're arguing in good faith. Funny, that.
Yea, thanks. I had hopes for lemmy because the user base was smaller, but at this point i think all online forums are epistemically captured by one side or the other.
I agree with the other chap. The issue is you're on .world, but because it's because .world is full of centrist neoliberals that think they're leftists. Blahaj, in my experience, is a nice compromise between .world and .ml.
Your problem is that you're on lemmy.world, one of the big instances that skews left because lemmy users in general do.
Find yourself a right-wing lemmy server. You'll be happier there without any lefties to contest your claim of leftism.
I don't want to hang out with conservatives. I'm for socialist left values. The only thing I asked is if it was murder or self defense because I know the narrative that is typically spun here is devoid of the facts.
When I got o argue with conservatives about this pos idiot kid (Kyle R) they point to all the misinformation that trickles out of this narrative from the left and my job doubles.
My end game is to not make it easier for conservatives to whitewash what happened. But if we can't even BEGIN a conversation about what happened that day then I don't know what to do. I've tried it in the past when this was brought up and the outcome was the same: every thread devolved into the label campaign "you're a conservative" / "you're defending a pos" / "youre a fascist" etc etc
I don't want to hang out with conservatives. I'm for socialist left values. The only thing I asked is if it was murder or self defense because I know the narrative that is typically spun here is devoid of the facts.
And yet, you persisted.
But if we can't even BEGIN a conversation about what happened that day then I don't know what to do.
Stop trying to relitigate a case on behalf of a murderer who will never thank you for being "on his side", maybe?
I'm not interested in defending Kyle. I just want the facts of the events to be clear. If just that is enough to trigger so many of you... I don't know. Its sad.
Lol you just labeled him right wing hahaha fucking hell you people are ignorant as hell.
Oh man. If you think .world skews left, I know some instances that could blow your Overton window wide open.
Good luck, I'm always labeled a rightwing nut job because I'm a die hard 2a supporter, even though I support a ton of social policies that focus on helping our citizens here. The hard left are so afraid/mad about firearms they're willing to ignore facts and create conspiracies to justify their actions. They're the magas of the left, which sucks because most of those types always act like they're intellectually more honest than the right.
To be fair, they're not the hard left. Hang with enough actual socialists and communists and you'll hear a lot of comments to the extent of a "well armed proletariat". These tend to be United States neoliberal centrists, who believe they're hard left because their Overton window has been yanked hard to the right.
That's a fair assessment. I've always said, if the dems want to completely destroy the repubicans and make force a new party to come from the ashes of whatever is left. All they would have to do is drop their anti-2a rhetoric and they'd sweep pretty much everything.
You're getting downvotes for it but you're right. Once the Republican party collapses I expect the Dems to change their stance to pull voters from their challengers on the left.
I'm not a conservative
Y' know, for someone that's accusing others of being obsessed with labeling, you sure do seem to be concerned with labels. Interesting.
There has to be a way to communicate with them.
Ah, that glorious sense of superiority. Please, enlighten us others with your rarified intellect! We lowly heathens know not what we do!
You literally just did what we're talking about lol
I'm not obsessed with labels man. Engage with what I actually wrote ffs. All I'm saying here is maybe my messaging is bad. No matter how I write, you guys will zoom in on if im a conservative or not. If I don't write that im a progressive, then I spend the whole time explaining why i disagree with conservatives. If I write that im left/progressive, then i spend the whole time debating whether im an impostor. As long as my opinion strays .02% from yours I will have no opportunity to discuss ANYTHING
As long as my position doesn't align with yours thats all I hear.
You can't discuss your position without first clarifying what side of the aisle you sit on, and yet, you don't care about labels...
K.
If I don’t write that im a progressive, then I spend the whole time explaining why i disagree with conservatives. If I write that im left/progressive, then i spend the whole time debating whether im an impostor
I can't win.
Quit trying to "win." Quit virtue signaling how "left" you are. You'll lead a happier existence if you're not so hung up on how others see you.
I don't mean "win" as in winning a debate. I mean "win" as in there is no possible way to have a discussion on ANYTHING with someone like you because you've decided the outcome long before the conversation has even started. In this whole debacle we didn't get to address anything except your incessant attacks on the integrity of my political alignment.
If you didn't contradict yourself then we wouldn't be having this discussion..
Can you clarify which contradiction exactly? I'm not understanding what your point is.
You say you're "left", but you trust the US court system to judge decide who is or isn't a murderer.
That kind of legalism is for neoliberals, not leftists.
I see. So the courts and institutions are not to be trusted.
I have no idea what left means after today. I'm for universal Healthcare, gun reform, higher taxes. Etc. I don't know what you call that.
I know. But look at the vote ratio. It's a lot of them. I never get to discuss the substance of any topic because I have to spend 90% the time defending why i'm not a conservative. Sometimes I wonder if its a limitation of text based communication where tone is inferred. Or maybe people are captured by epistemic bubbles. I have no idea! I'm going to keep trying though. There has to be a way to communicate with them.
I'm assuming you're an adult and probably already know this, but don't drive yourself crazy. Step back and disconnect from this if it's stressing you out.
I'm a dyed in the wool progressive and used to frequently argue with libs about my being in favor of responsible firearm ownership. I've learned to just ignore them if they're being assholes or are arguing in bad faith, as I see is the case here with a few users who can't stop trumpeting how they're arguing in good faith. Funny, that.
Yea, thanks. I had hopes for lemmy because the user base was smaller, but at this point i think all online forums are epistemically captured by one side or the other.
I agree with the other chap. The issue is you're on .world, but because it's because .world is full of centrist neoliberals that think they're leftists. Blahaj, in my experience, is a nice compromise between .world and .ml.
Your problem is that you're on lemmy.world, one of the big instances that skews left because lemmy users in general do.
Find yourself a right-wing lemmy server. You'll be happier there without any lefties to contest your claim of leftism.
I don't want to hang out with conservatives. I'm for socialist left values. The only thing I asked is if it was murder or self defense because I know the narrative that is typically spun here is devoid of the facts.
When I got o argue with conservatives about this pos idiot kid (Kyle R) they point to all the misinformation that trickles out of this narrative from the left and my job doubles.
My end game is to not make it easier for conservatives to whitewash what happened. But if we can't even BEGIN a conversation about what happened that day then I don't know what to do. I've tried it in the past when this was brought up and the outcome was the same: every thread devolved into the label campaign "you're a conservative" / "you're defending a pos" / "youre a fascist" etc etc
And yet, you persisted.
Stop trying to relitigate a case on behalf of a murderer who will never thank you for being "on his side", maybe?
I'm not interested in defending Kyle. I just want the facts of the events to be clear. If just that is enough to trigger so many of you... I don't know. Its sad.
Lol you just labeled him right wing hahaha fucking hell you people are ignorant as hell.
Oh man. If you think .world skews left, I know some instances that could blow your Overton window wide open.
Good luck, I'm always labeled a rightwing nut job because I'm a die hard 2a supporter, even though I support a ton of social policies that focus on helping our citizens here. The hard left are so afraid/mad about firearms they're willing to ignore facts and create conspiracies to justify their actions. They're the magas of the left, which sucks because most of those types always act like they're intellectually more honest than the right.
To be fair, they're not the hard left. Hang with enough actual socialists and communists and you'll hear a lot of comments to the extent of a "well armed proletariat". These tend to be United States neoliberal centrists, who believe they're hard left because their Overton window has been yanked hard to the right.
That's a fair assessment. I've always said, if the dems want to completely destroy the repubicans and make force a new party to come from the ashes of whatever is left. All they would have to do is drop their anti-2a rhetoric and they'd sweep pretty much everything.
You're getting downvotes for it but you're right. Once the Republican party collapses I expect the Dems to change their stance to pull voters from their challengers on the left.
Y' know, for someone that's accusing others of being obsessed with labeling, you sure do seem to be concerned with labels. Interesting.
Ah, that glorious sense of superiority. Please, enlighten us others with your rarified intellect! We lowly heathens know not what we do!
You literally just did what we're talking about lol
I'm not obsessed with labels man. Engage with what I actually wrote ffs. All I'm saying here is maybe my messaging is bad. No matter how I write, you guys will zoom in on if im a conservative or not. If I don't write that im a progressive, then I spend the whole time explaining why i disagree with conservatives. If I write that im left/progressive, then i spend the whole time debating whether im an impostor. As long as my opinion strays .02% from yours I will have no opportunity to discuss ANYTHING
As long as my position doesn't align with yours thats all I hear.
You can't discuss your position without first clarifying what side of the aisle you sit on, and yet, you don't care about labels...
K.
I can't win.
Quit trying to "win." Quit virtue signaling how "left" you are. You'll lead a happier existence if you're not so hung up on how others see you.
I don't mean "win" as in winning a debate. I mean "win" as in there is no possible way to have a discussion on ANYTHING with someone like you because you've decided the outcome long before the conversation has even started. In this whole debacle we didn't get to address anything except your incessant attacks on the integrity of my political alignment.
If you didn't contradict yourself then we wouldn't be having this discussion..
Can you clarify which contradiction exactly? I'm not understanding what your point is.
You say you're "left", but you trust the US court system to judge decide who is or isn't a murderer.
That kind of legalism is for neoliberals, not leftists.
I see. So the courts and institutions are not to be trusted.
I have no idea what left means after today. I'm for universal Healthcare, gun reform, higher taxes. Etc. I don't know what you call that.
Liberalism.