What are some "new" rights you'd like to see countries commit to?

sumofchemicals@lemmy.world to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.world – 206 points –

I know some places are more progressive in this regard. But from the U.S., I'd like to see every person entitled to:

  • shelter
  • food
  • healthcare
  • education and higher education

(As an aside, not sure "right" is the best term here, I think of these more as commitments that society would make because we have abundance. One advantage of the word "right" is that a person is justified in expecting it - it's not welfare/ a benefit / a privilege)

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Digital privacy. It should be illegal to track and store data on people without their consent.

Hmm. If you were to assault me, and my friend took your picture while you're doing it, should you be allowed to forbid my friend from publicly posting that picture?

A picture of you is certainly data about you. And you'd presumably prefer that they not publish evidence that you assaulted me. However, I think it's in the public interest that my friend should get to publish their photo even without your consent.

A single picture is circumstantial. I'm more talking about mass collections of information for some kind of data analysis.

That's where the reasonable expectation of privacy provision usually comes into play. It is already illegal to go up to the window of someone's home and take pictures of them, why then is it legal for companies like google to gather information about your activity, such as browsing habits, without asking or even notifying you. Microsoft is another really bad offender here, modern versions of Windows collect and transmit massive amounts of telemetry regarding everything from what hardware you're using to what programs you run and how often, just as a basic part of the operating system.

I don't understand why people always talk about Microsoft. ALL mainstream operating systems track everything you do. If anything, Microsoft were the last to join the party.

The reason is that windows is used on nearly 3/4 of all desktop computers (source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7/), but that doesn't change the question of 'why the fuck should anoybody be allowed to do that?' Also I would call Linux at least mainstream parallel, in that I would guess most people have at least heard of it, and it doesn't inherently track your activity.

First of all, most people are using their mobile devices for the most time, so tracking in Android and iOS is a lot more important. Also more people have phones than desktops.

Second, Linux distros have tracking too. Ubuntu for example.

I won't argue that tracking on mobile isn't more important, but I will argue that it shouldn't be allowed at all, or at least not without an informative opt in for those systems who insist on having one. And when I say informative I mean telling the user exactly what information is being gathered, why, how often, and who else can see or gets sold it.

I agree, but once again - why so much hate towards Microsoft specifically? They have less invasive tracking of all, which can easily be disabled. Unlike what you're getting from Google and Apple.

I use Microsoft rather than Apple because I don't use any Apple products and am significantly less informed on the level of tracking they employ, and I use Microsoft rather than Google because Microsoft in in charge of the operating system I use and is making my user experience measurably worse with the amount of crap they run and track by default. Google on the other hand only tracks what I do over the internet, and even then not all of it (though they actually do probably get everything I do since I haven't worked up the motivation to switch to Firefox yet). I also will say I actually don't much mind someone tracking what parts of a website I visit, such as what products I view on Steam or Amazon, so long as I have an actual account that tracking is attached to.

It is also important I feel to emphasize I am only giving examples, hate all involuntary tracking, and hope that any theoretical anti-tracking laws would be broad enough to stop this kind of behavior from every company rather than just a few.

Cool, but you have a phone in your pocket and it's a lot more invasive.

I had forgotten about phones actually, yeah fuck that and fuck me for forgetting about it. When writting these replies I have been relying on memory for the rest of the conversation, rather than going back and seeing all the context.

I'm still mad about what they did to netflix. I should have the right to not have to delete IE when I get a new computer. I mean netscape.

Yes, innocent until proven guilty. The picture would be logged in as evidence to the authorities.

I'm no expert but I think there are (or should be) exemptions in the case of crime

Often you don't know a crime has been committed at the time, which is why businesses are expected to have data retention periods for legal reasons.

But everyone keeps pointing to any data retention as some sort of big brother boogeyman.