Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party

geekwithsoul@lemm.ee to politics @lemmy.world – 524 points – Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party
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“With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.”

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this post is about Stein and the Green party, nobody asked for your literal whataboutism. Shows just how effective geekwithsoul's comment is that you couldn't muster a single word in response and instead turned to "b-b-b-but democrats!!!!!!"

That last sentence with 'blue maga' says everything about what you support, no surprise all you have are whatabouts.

how many Ds have eaten with Putin personally btw?

One, at least.

Do you not know what a state dinner is?

Wow, you found one of the millions of photos of The President of the United States dining with another world leader. Congrats.

What was Jill's excuse?

She went to an RT party, was investigated by the Senate Intelligence Committee, and excused. Don’t vote for her if you don’t want to. I won’t, because I’m in a swing state. But the dis/mis information and slandering of third parties should be disconcerting for anyone who wants more choices in this duopoly.

RT

So literally the Kremlin's propaganda arm. Totally normal stuff...

After all, she was a government official at the time, so it's normal for her to dine with the Russian president. Oh wait, she wasn't?

Well at least she was a major presidential candidate right? Oh, never more than ~1.4% you say?

Well I'm sure Putin and his oligarch buddies just wanted to meet her because they're big fans 🙄.

I have a hard time believing any of you Jill Stein shills are actually for real. I really hope you're not.

I’m not voting for Jill Stein. Again, she was investigated. They found no wrongdoing. Russia did support her campaign because it sows division. AIPAC donates to Harris and Trump. Facts, not feelings and speculation, should dictate reasoning.

Do we really have to explain the difference between public officials who work in foreign policy and directly represent the United States, versus private citizens?

She was investigated. They found no Russian money. AIPAC donates to Harris and Trump. Facts aren’t hypocritical.

Care to engage with any of these, then?

Sure,

She appeared on RT as part of her campaign. Per the Intelligence Committee report linked:

”I just assumed that they had some kind of relationship with the Russian government and now my understanding is that they are probably state media, though they go through some nonprofit. Whatever, you know. Is their structure any different from Voice of America? Or BBC? I can't tell you”

Also, from the investigation:

On December 9, 2015, Stein flew to Moscow to attend the RT Anniversary Gala. However, Stein paid for all of her own expenses and was reimbursed by her campaign because "it was very important that we [the campaign] were not going to be accepting money from a foreign entity of any sort, let alone something connected with a foreign government."Stein also was not paid to participate on any panels at the event.

She was investigated and the committee found no wrongdoing. It is not illegal for presidential candidates to meet with world leaders or do interviews with international media outlets.

As for the investments. If she is a hypocrite for having index and mutual fund investments in fossil fuels, then most Americans, as well as Harris, are too.

Kamala Harris's notable investments include Vanguard Target Retirement 2030 Trust II, worth between $250,001 and $500,000, and SFDCP Large Cap Growth Equity and SFDCP Large Cap Eq S&P 500 Ind, each worth $100,001 and $250,000.

Emhoff's retirement accounts are heavily invested in exchange-traded funds from Vanguard, BlackRock, and Charles Schwab. Some of the funds in Emhoff's portfolio, according to documents filed by Harris in 2021, included:

  • Vanguard Small Cap Value Index (VBR)

  • iShares Core MSCI EAFE ETF

  • Vanguard Small Cap Growth Index (VBK)

  • iShares Broad USD Investment Grade Corporate Bond ETF

  • Vanguard Growth Index ETF (VUG)

  • Vanguard Information Technology Index Fund ETF (VGT)

  • Vanguard Consumer Staples Index Fund ETF (VDC)

  • Vanguard Industrials Index Fund ETF (VIS)

Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones

Jill Stein could sue Thirdway.org for defamation and libel, this article is grounds for a lawsuit.

Whataboutisms aside, if you're going to claim an article is libelous, you ought to at least be able to refute one of the assertions made by it. You haven't actually done that here. Jill Stein's defense is that she's naive to the point of idiocy. So she's either a witting catspaw of Putin and the GOP, or an imbecile that has no business being president.

Furthermore, I was unable to find any language in the senate intelligence committee's report to indicate that she'd been cleared of wrongdoing— merely the absence of an indictment. Regardless of whether she's committed any crimes, she is objectively a spoiler candidate. She could be as pure as the driven snow, and it wouldn't change the fact that the only thing her campaign stands to accomplish is to elect donald trump.

If she really wanted to further her purported agenda, she would use her candidacy to get concessions from Harris in exchange for dropping out and endorsing her. Stein could actually effect change that way. Instead, she parrots Russian talking points, exclusively attacks Democrats, and consequently is completely counterproductive with regard to her stated goals.

Mentioning that the current admin has been actively funding a genocide for a year and that both major parties promise to continue to do so in 2025, isn't a whataboutism. Sorry to criticize your genocidal queen, I know stopping to consider that brown Muslims are humans too can be very taxing on most Americans.