Michigan House passes bill that could make using wrong pronouns a felony, fineable up to $10,000
The bill specifically addresses "sexual orientation" and "gender identity or expression" as protected classes.
From the (fox news, of course) link:
A recently passed bill in Michigan could make it a felony to intimidate someone by intentionally using the wrong gender pronouns, according to some legal experts.
The article quotes only one person, but I suppose "some experts" is just an oversight, and not because fox knows its credulous audience won't bother reading too closely or critically. Or looking up the "expert" around whom the story pivots. No huge surprise, he's the founder of a Christian think tank that focuses on legislating Christianity as law. They're anti-lgbt, anti-abortion, and antivaxx.
Got someone who isn't an alarmist bent on violating everyone's religious liberty?
Again though - the legislation is there. You're simply saying that because the source is a company that you don't like that the information they're reporting on is wrong, which is false.
I don't know what sources reporting on the same actual legislation you'll accept? I didn't go to fox news to find it, i just googled it and that was the top name i recognized of the dozens of sites reporting it. Again - it's in the legislation. It's not a rumour, it's not "fake news".
“Gender identity or expression means having or being perceived as having a gender-related self-identity or expression whether or not associated with an individual’s assigned sex at birth.”
This was specifically added in to the bill when adding them as a "protected class". The legislation introduced hate crime penalties for causing a person to “feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened,” regarding “sexual orientation” and “gender identity or expression.”
Click through the images…it’s a slideshow with information on each one lol.
Oh, how about that. So, that slideshow only quotes the same "expert" as the fox news did.
Here are links to the actual legislation:
You're relying on one bigoted alarmist's deliberate misinterpretation of the law.
The law specifically puts “gender identity” as a protected class for this legislation. Why do you think that is?
Because they... want them to be protected by the law?
Now put that together with the context of these hate speech law changes and you see what that means?
It means they're protected by the law. Not this sky-is-falling nonsense from one guy whose job it is to scream sky-is-falling nonsense.
Right, so the changes they made to the law mean that someone can be charged for misgendering…….which is the point that you guys are saying isn’t true.
Right, so the changes they made to the law mean that someone can be charged for misgendering…
According to one guy who is deliberately misinterpreting the law because he's a bigoted alarmist who doesn't want trans people having any legal protections at all. You keep ignoring this.
Did you even read your boogey man bill or just take Fox News as gods word? The bill only says someone is guilty of a felony if they cause damage, bodily harm, or threaten a person because of sexual identity. It just adds a protection to people who are being victimize for a specific aspect of their identity.
As long as you weren’t planning on any hate crimes you can misgender people as much as you want in Michigan. It makes you an asshole, but not a felon.
If you would like to read the bill you’re parroting bullshit about, I can link you to the actual text of it on Michigan’s website so you don’t have to be scared of going to jail for misgendering someone anymore.
Again unless you’re planning a hate crime against them. Then you’re n asshole and a felon. Because hate crimes are bad. That’s not a political thing right? Like damaging someone’s property or body is illegal all the time. It’s just more illegal when you do it intentionally because of an aspect of their identity. I mean you don’t think it’s okay to assault disabled folks because of their disability?
Yeah. Those things you're saying aren't real.
No? What's this then?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigan-house-passes-bill-using-wrong-pronouns-felony-fineable-10000
From the (fox news, of course) link:
The article quotes only one person, but I suppose "some experts" is just an oversight, and not because fox knows its credulous audience won't bother reading too closely or critically. Or looking up the "expert" around whom the story pivots. No huge surprise, he's the founder of a Christian think tank that focuses on legislating Christianity as law. They're anti-lgbt, anti-abortion, and antivaxx.
Got someone who isn't an alarmist bent on violating everyone's religious liberty?
Again though - the legislation is there. You're simply saying that because the source is a company that you don't like that the information they're reporting on is wrong, which is false.
I don't know what sources reporting on the same actual legislation you'll accept? I didn't go to fox news to find it, i just googled it and that was the top name i recognized of the dozens of sites reporting it. Again - it's in the legislation. It's not a rumour, it's not "fake news".
This was specifically added in to the bill when adding them as a "protected class". The legislation introduced hate crime penalties for causing a person to “feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened,” regarding “sexual orientation” and “gender identity or expression.”
Here's an msn one: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/michigan-residents-could-be-charged-with-a-felony-and-fined-up-to-10000-over-wrong-pronouns/ss-AA1dibuC#image=1
Is MSN acceptable for you? Got a list of approved websites that report on legislations?
That's one sentence long and has no sources at all. You're not even bothering to open these before you post them.
Click through the images.....it's a slideshow with information on each one lol. Who's not even bothering to open these before posting?
Here are links to the actual legislation: https://legiscan.com/MI/bill/HB4474/2023
On there, what is under Subjects?
Civil rights: sex discrimination and harassment
Civil rights: sexual orientation discrimination
Oh, how about that. So, that slideshow only quotes the same "expert" as the fox news did.
You're relying on one bigoted alarmist's deliberate misinterpretation of the law.
The law specifically puts “gender identity” as a protected class for this legislation. Why do you think that is?
Because they... want them to be protected by the law?
Now put that together with the context of these hate speech law changes and you see what that means?
It means they're protected by the law. Not this sky-is-falling nonsense from one guy whose job it is to scream sky-is-falling nonsense.
Right, so the changes they made to the law mean that someone can be charged for misgendering…….which is the point that you guys are saying isn’t true.
According to one guy who is deliberately misinterpreting the law because he's a bigoted alarmist who doesn't want trans people having any legal protections at all. You keep ignoring this.
Did you even read your boogey man bill or just take Fox News as gods word? The bill only says someone is guilty of a felony if they cause damage, bodily harm, or threaten a person because of sexual identity. It just adds a protection to people who are being victimize for a specific aspect of their identity.
As long as you weren’t planning on any hate crimes you can misgender people as much as you want in Michigan. It makes you an asshole, but not a felon.
If you would like to read the bill you’re parroting bullshit about, I can link you to the actual text of it on Michigan’s website so you don’t have to be scared of going to jail for misgendering someone anymore.
Again unless you’re planning a hate crime against them. Then you’re n asshole and a felon. Because hate crimes are bad. That’s not a political thing right? Like damaging someone’s property or body is illegal all the time. It’s just more illegal when you do it intentionally because of an aspect of their identity. I mean you don’t think it’s okay to assault disabled folks because of their disability?