Cool. That's an incredibly dumb reason to start a war with a country like Israel. There's a reason Egypt and Jordan don't do that anymore.
Hezbollah only exists because of Occupation by Israel, like Hamas, and the three previous invasions. Jordan and Egypt are allies of the US
::: spoiler 1982
The 1982 Lebanon war began on 6 June 1982, when Israel invaded again for the purpose of attacking the Palestine Liberation Organization. The Israeli army laid siege to Beirut. During the conflict, according to Lebanese sources, between 15,000 and 20,000 people were killed, mostly civilians.
On 16 February 1985, Shia Sheik Ibrahim al-Amin declared a manifesto in Lebanon, announcing a resistance movement called Hezbollah, whose goals included combating the Israeli occupation. During the South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) the Hezbollah militia waged a guerrilla campaign against Israeli forces occupying Southern Lebanon and their South Lebanon Army proxies.
Throughout the painstaking process of confirming the Israeli withdrawal, Hizballah was at pains to declare its commitment to recovering the last millimeter of Lebanese territory, but it also acknowledged that it would not act hastily to reinitiate violence. In sum, Hizballah's behavior and deference to state authority have worked to its political advantage. It reaped recognition in an unprecedented meeting between Nasrallah and UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who praised Hizballah's restraint and its promise of cooperation. The meeting with Annan offers a remarkable contrast with Hizballah's earlier days, when it was hostile to the UN and especially to the UN force in
the south.
Without an agreement between Syria and Israel, there will be little pressure on Hizballah to disarm. Syria's calculated strategy is to allow Hizballah to serve as a constant reminder of the consequences of continuing to occupy the Golan Heights.This is a role that Hizballah is happy to play, given its enmity toward Israel. At the same time, it remains profoundly aware of the political costs of bringing destruction down on the heads of its supporters, and this further reduces the prospect that Hizballah will initiate attacks on Israel
The doctrine is named after the Dahiya suburb of Beirut, where the Lebanese paramilitary group Hezbollah has its headquarters, which the Israeli military leveled during its assault on Lebanon in the summer of 2006 that killed nearly 1,000 civilians, about a third of them children, and caused enormous damage to the country’s civilian infrastructure, including power plants, sewage treatment plants, bridges, and port facilities.
It was formulated by then-General Gadi Eisenkot when he was Chief of Northern Command. As he explained in 2008 referring to a future war on Lebanon: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on… We will apply disproportionate force on it (village) and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases… This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved.” Eisenkot went on to become chief of the general staff of the Israeli military before retiring in 2019.
While it became official Israeli military doctrine after Israel’s 2006 attack on Lebanon, Israel’s military has used disproportionate force and targeted Palestinian, Lebanese, and other civilians since Israel was established in 1948 based on the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians, including dozens of massacres to force them to flee for their lives.
Until recently, the border had been relatively quiet. Occasional rockets or drones crossed from Lebanon into Israel without leading to serious escalation, while Israel violated Lebanese airspace more than 22,000 times from 2007 to 2022.
While the withdrawal was certified by the United Nations, Lebanon disputed it, arguing that the Shebaa Farms was part of its territory, and not part of the Syrian Golan Heights, which Israel continues to occupy.
So there are two separate issues here that lead to the current dispute: the first is that Israel occupies the Golan Heights and treats it as its own territory in violation of international law, and the second is that there was already a pre-existing disagreement between Syria and Lebanon over the border, prior to the Israeli occupation.
I don't think standing up for human rights violations is a dumb thing to do. And Israel started this war. They didn't have to slaughter innocent civilians indiscriminately, but Israel did. They didn't have to assassinate key figures, perform acts of terror like blowing up pagers, or attack civilian areas in Lebanon. But Israel did do all that. They started this war, and they're just crying victim because people are actually calling them out on their bs and fighting back.
Groups like Hezbollah don't believe in human rights. They do not care if innocent people die. Their problem with Israel is not that it's oppressive, they love oppressive regimes (Iran, Russia). Hezbollah engages in assassinations in Lebanon and abroad frequently. I can go on but my point is you don't know who these people are or what they believe.
Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah believe in a borderless global theocracy. They believe in a world of public executions and state sponsored brutality against anybody who argues. They are authoritarians, human rights are western philosophical nonsense to them. Unislamic alien beliefs. They simply do not believe in equality or the sanctity of life.
Their problem with Israel is solely that Israel is Jewish.
If Hezbollah doesn't care about civilian casualties, then why do they almost exclusively target military bases? Israel has no moral authority on this topic either. There have been civilian casualties virtually every day for the past year as they try to wipe out the Palestinian population. Israel also makes up approximately 80% of the attacks that have been between Hezbollah and Israel.
Dude, stop posting no-name propaganda sites like they are a source.
Fact is Hezbollah has been around since the 80s. They started as a Shia islamist militia that committed numerous atrocities during Lebanons Civil War. IT then entrenched itself in souther Lebanon and has been engaging in violence against all manner of groups since then. Including civilians. They've been rocketing residential Israeli neighborhoods for a year
We know what they are and what they believe, we know what they do, and we know why they do it. Nasrallahs lies a worth nothibg, we know what he was. Don't play dumb. A "single state" is code for an Islamic theocracy. They use the language of westerner human rights ideology to fool people like you, and it evidently works
Which link do you consider propaganda? The reddit post where OP maps out all the attacks extensively and with sources? Or the opinion piece that explains Nasrallah's life?
I'm not going to bore everyone reading this and try to teach you media literacy.
It's a complex, multifaceted, situation. What is not complex or multifaceted is Hezbollahs actions. They just straight up shoot rockets at innocent people. Cmon, man. Nobody benefits from you trying to convince me, yourself, or anybody reading this that they're a bunch of secular progressive angels. They're not. Like it's not an opinion.
I literally just gave you a source explaining why Hezbollah doesn't just shoot rockets at innocent people like you said. If you want to explain to me why the source is wrong, then go right ahead. Every accusation and generalization you made, I was able to disprove with a few minutes of googling. You can't expect me to believe everything you say without even trying to back it up.
In "a few minutes of googling" I could find anything, that really doesn't mean anything. Needless to say reputable information does exist, and you are currently not posting it.
Again, since the 80s. Trying to claim Hezbollah are anything but violent jihadists is friggin laughable.
Like I said before, I've given you my reasons on why I think the way I do. You have not returned the same courtesy to me. All you've done is make baseless claims and allegations without actually telling me where they come from. And when I say "Hey, I think you're wrong and here's why" you don't even bother with looking at it. I don't expect you to go over it all, but at least take a look. You just dismiss it as propaganda with little to no actual effort to understand what I'm trying to say. I've literally given you documented actions and events to support what I'm saying and disprove what you say. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. Your entire argument is simply you saying "They're evil, trust me bro". I think I'll trust what I see and read over what you say, thank you very much.
Edit: I also want to point out that at no point did you seem interested in even acknowledging the evil that Israel has been doing in both Gaza and Lebanon. You just seem all too eager to justify their atrocious actions by saying "Yeah, but Hezbollah bad". If I had to label one group as bad in this conflict, it would be Israel.
That's nice. You posted bullshit, I called it bullshit. I'm sure on your super deep and intricate google search you encountered proof of everything I said. Go look again.
Your opinions on Israel don't matter. Hezbollah are, again, violent jihadists. Fuck them. They want to kill me. Why would I kiss their ass like you do?
Calling it bullshit without explaining why it's bullshit doesn't automatically make it bullshit. This shouldn't be a difficult thing for you to understand or wrap your head around.
Why would Hezbollah want to kill you?
But I thought you had google, the fountain of truth?
Hezbollah are violent jihadists. They want to kill most people. Again, not a matter of debate. Get over it.
Cool. That's an incredibly dumb reason to start a war with a country like Israel. There's a reason Egypt and Jordan don't do that anymore.
Hezbollah only exists because of Occupation by Israel, like Hamas, and the three previous invasions. Jordan and Egypt are allies of the US
::: spoiler 1982
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::: spoiler Israeli Withdrawal
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::: spoiler 2006
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The Dahiya Doctrine & Israel’s Use of Disproportionate Force
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/17/beyond-hezbollah-the-history-of-tensions-between-lebanon-and-israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_conflict
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I don't think standing up for human rights violations is a dumb thing to do. And Israel started this war. They didn't have to slaughter innocent civilians indiscriminately, but Israel did. They didn't have to assassinate key figures, perform acts of terror like blowing up pagers, or attack civilian areas in Lebanon. But Israel did do all that. They started this war, and they're just crying victim because people are actually calling them out on their bs and fighting back.
Groups like Hezbollah don't believe in human rights. They do not care if innocent people die. Their problem with Israel is not that it's oppressive, they love oppressive regimes (Iran, Russia). Hezbollah engages in assassinations in Lebanon and abroad frequently. I can go on but my point is you don't know who these people are or what they believe.
Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah believe in a borderless global theocracy. They believe in a world of public executions and state sponsored brutality against anybody who argues. They are authoritarians, human rights are western philosophical nonsense to them. Unislamic alien beliefs. They simply do not believe in equality or the sanctity of life.
Their problem with Israel is solely that Israel is Jewish.
If Hezbollah doesn't care about civilian casualties, then why do they almost exclusively target military bases? Israel has no moral authority on this topic either. There have been civilian casualties virtually every day for the past year as they try to wipe out the Palestinian population. Israel also makes up approximately 80% of the attacks that have been between Hezbollah and Israel.
They believe in nothing of the sort. Nasrallah has come out and publicly supported a single state solution so that Muslims, Christians, and Jews can live together democratically.. The same link also explains how he actually publicly advocated for and helped build a synagogue in Beirut. Hezbollah is not anti-semitic, just anti-zionist.
Dude, stop posting no-name propaganda sites like they are a source.
Fact is Hezbollah has been around since the 80s. They started as a Shia islamist militia that committed numerous atrocities during Lebanons Civil War. IT then entrenched itself in souther Lebanon and has been engaging in violence against all manner of groups since then. Including civilians. They've been rocketing residential Israeli neighborhoods for a year
We know what they are and what they believe, we know what they do, and we know why they do it. Nasrallahs lies a worth nothibg, we know what he was. Don't play dumb. A "single state" is code for an Islamic theocracy. They use the language of westerner human rights ideology to fool people like you, and it evidently works
Which link do you consider propaganda? The reddit post where OP maps out all the attacks extensively and with sources? Or the opinion piece that explains Nasrallah's life?
I'm not going to bore everyone reading this and try to teach you media literacy.
It's a complex, multifaceted, situation. What is not complex or multifaceted is Hezbollahs actions. They just straight up shoot rockets at innocent people. Cmon, man. Nobody benefits from you trying to convince me, yourself, or anybody reading this that they're a bunch of secular progressive angels. They're not. Like it's not an opinion.
I literally just gave you a source explaining why Hezbollah doesn't just shoot rockets at innocent people like you said. If you want to explain to me why the source is wrong, then go right ahead. Every accusation and generalization you made, I was able to disprove with a few minutes of googling. You can't expect me to believe everything you say without even trying to back it up.
In "a few minutes of googling" I could find anything, that really doesn't mean anything. Needless to say reputable information does exist, and you are currently not posting it.
Again, since the 80s. Trying to claim Hezbollah are anything but violent jihadists is friggin laughable.
Like I said before, I've given you my reasons on why I think the way I do. You have not returned the same courtesy to me. All you've done is make baseless claims and allegations without actually telling me where they come from. And when I say "Hey, I think you're wrong and here's why" you don't even bother with looking at it. I don't expect you to go over it all, but at least take a look. You just dismiss it as propaganda with little to no actual effort to understand what I'm trying to say. I've literally given you documented actions and events to support what I'm saying and disprove what you say. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. Your entire argument is simply you saying "They're evil, trust me bro". I think I'll trust what I see and read over what you say, thank you very much.
Edit: I also want to point out that at no point did you seem interested in even acknowledging the evil that Israel has been doing in both Gaza and Lebanon. You just seem all too eager to justify their atrocious actions by saying "Yeah, but Hezbollah bad". If I had to label one group as bad in this conflict, it would be Israel.
That's nice. You posted bullshit, I called it bullshit. I'm sure on your super deep and intricate google search you encountered proof of everything I said. Go look again.
Your opinions on Israel don't matter. Hezbollah are, again, violent jihadists. Fuck them. They want to kill me. Why would I kiss their ass like you do?
Calling it bullshit without explaining why it's bullshit doesn't automatically make it bullshit. This shouldn't be a difficult thing for you to understand or wrap your head around.
Why would Hezbollah want to kill you?
But I thought you had google, the fountain of truth?
Hezbollah are violent jihadists. They want to kill most people. Again, not a matter of debate. Get over it.