Then you should be trying to prevent the guy who wants all the genocides from getting elected. But you're not. Which is why no one believes you're here in good faith.
I don't care what others believe, they're voting to support genocide. The only control I have in this situation is to not actively support those commiting genocide. Everything else is out of my control.
Your options are "Genocide, but might be talked into dialing it back if politically viable" vs "More genocide, for genocide's sake"
All you achieve by not supporting the first is making the second more likely. If you think Bibi's dictator-loving buddy is better for Gaza than the career politician doing career politician things during a close election, you are an enemy of Palestine.
After the election when AIPAC loses their leverage, Harris could come around. Trump will double down. I'm voting against doubling down, are you?
Genocide is going to happen regardless, the only option I see as viable is to not throw my support behind the parties pushing for it. Harris could come around, sure, but I'm not going to bet on it and I refuse to support it.
You do realize that "Palestine's fucked anyway, it's more important to impotently virtue signal that I'm upset about it than to do something which might actually help them in any way" is absolutely sociopathic take that cements you as an enemy of Palestine, right?
This is about voting for genocidal candidates, and has nothing to do with private donations or contributions to the Palestinians. I can donate to the cause to help them with food, water, and medical supplies and not vote for genocide.
Uh huh, which won't matter much if Harris loses and Trump gives Bibi the all clear to nuke Gaza. If you actually cared, you'd consider the material conditions of others and the actual consequences of your vote. But the rational and compassionate choice feels icky, so you'd rather polish your halo while Bibi finishes the job.
He's finishing the job anyway, both Harris and Trump will continue support to Israel.
Have you tried actually asking Palestinians what they want you to do to help them? Because it seems like you fell for pro-Trump astroturfing and have confused obstinance for morality.
So read that letter and take the action they're asking you to take to help them, or admit that you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives.
So is donating money so they can get food, water, and medical supplies not helping them now? I don't understand. Morality is definitely the issue here. It begins and ends on the very personal decision of not wanting to vote for genocide. Any relation to what the Trump campaign is doing is coincidental. The only thing I'm obstinate about is not throwing my support behind genocidists.
And Palestinians are telling you that "not wanting to vote for genocide" will make their situation worse.
So, again, take the action they're asking you to take to help them, or admit that you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives. Because it sounds to me like you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives.
Options are Genocide Lite with a chance of less genocide, and Genocide Xtra Strength with the certainly of additional genocide. Your refusal to vote Genocide Lite is tacit support for Genocide Xtra Strength. Which is the greater moral good, obstructing Genocide Xtra Strength, or helping Genocide Xtra Strength? Because no matter how loud you whistle while you polish that halo, your actions are helping Genocide Xtra Strength and you'll have to carry that disgrace to the grave.
This discussion keeps going in circles. I'm not voting for a politician that is pro genocide, lite or otherwise.
Actual Palestinians: Please, we're begging you, we know the Biden response since Oct 7 has been disappointing, but things will be much worse under Trump. Please, please, keep Trump out of the White House, if he wins we're doomed.
Some smug moralizing bastard on the Internet: lol both sides
Then you should be trying to prevent the guy who wants all the genocides from getting elected. But you're not. Which is why no one believes you're here in good faith.
I don't care what others believe, they're voting to support genocide. The only control I have in this situation is to not actively support those commiting genocide. Everything else is out of my control.
Your options are "Genocide, but might be talked into dialing it back if politically viable" vs "More genocide, for genocide's sake"
All you achieve by not supporting the first is making the second more likely. If you think Bibi's dictator-loving buddy is better for Gaza than the career politician doing career politician things during a close election, you are an enemy of Palestine.
After the election when AIPAC loses their leverage, Harris could come around. Trump will double down. I'm voting against doubling down, are you?
Genocide is going to happen regardless, the only option I see as viable is to not throw my support behind the parties pushing for it. Harris could come around, sure, but I'm not going to bet on it and I refuse to support it.
You do realize that "Palestine's fucked anyway, it's more important to impotently virtue signal that I'm upset about it than to do something which might actually help them in any way" is absolutely sociopathic take that cements you as an enemy of Palestine, right?
This is about voting for genocidal candidates, and has nothing to do with private donations or contributions to the Palestinians. I can donate to the cause to help them with food, water, and medical supplies and not vote for genocide.
Uh huh, which won't matter much if Harris loses and Trump gives Bibi the all clear to nuke Gaza. If you actually cared, you'd consider the material conditions of others and the actual consequences of your vote. But the rational and compassionate choice feels icky, so you'd rather polish your halo while Bibi finishes the job.
He's finishing the job anyway, both Harris and Trump will continue support to Israel.
Have you tried actually asking Palestinians what they want you to do to help them? Because it seems like you fell for pro-Trump astroturfing and have confused obstinance for morality.
So read that letter and take the action they're asking you to take to help them, or admit that you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives.
So is donating money so they can get food, water, and medical supplies not helping them now? I don't understand. Morality is definitely the issue here. It begins and ends on the very personal decision of not wanting to vote for genocide. Any relation to what the Trump campaign is doing is coincidental. The only thing I'm obstinate about is not throwing my support behind genocidists.
And Palestinians are telling you that "not wanting to vote for genocide" will make their situation worse.
So, again, take the action they're asking you to take to help them, or admit that you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives. Because it sounds to me like you care more about flouting the misguided illusion of morality than you care about Palestinian lives.
Options are Genocide Lite with a chance of less genocide, and Genocide Xtra Strength with the certainly of additional genocide. Your refusal to vote Genocide Lite is tacit support for Genocide Xtra Strength. Which is the greater moral good, obstructing Genocide Xtra Strength, or helping Genocide Xtra Strength? Because no matter how loud you whistle while you polish that halo, your actions are helping Genocide Xtra Strength and you'll have to carry that disgrace to the grave.
This discussion keeps going in circles. I'm not voting for a politician that is pro genocide, lite or otherwise.
Actual Palestinians: Please, we're begging you, we know the Biden response since Oct 7 has been disappointing, but things will be much worse under Trump. Please, please, keep Trump out of the White House, if he wins we're doomed.
Some smug moralizing bastard on the Internet: lol both sides